Teach me (?!?!?!?)

[oricha1984]

Originally Posted by Rusty

Get'er done! I'd be bumming with no wheels for that long. This is usually a straightforward job, complicated by modern manf methods- def not your fault.

Surprised they let you BYOP. I have to see a $28 snap-ring, must be special.

hey rusty,
at this point I'm in the acceptance stage: something broke and needs to be fixed one way or another.
I'm actually enjoying the learning and comparing quotes on parts & labor.
No longer feeling bummed out about the situation.

Now I understand why replacing a simple broken stud (on my vehicle) would require 200+ on labor because of the amount of work it requires. Before I would have thought: f*** all mechanic shops they charge too much just to replace one bolt.

My options at this point: If I'm paying for Labor for the complete job, I would probably take it to the dealership and bring my own parts. Most likely they have done this job before on my type of vehicle.

If I decided to remove knuckle myself then I will probably just take it to the smaller shop. I still would need to buy a socket to remove the center wheel nut and the paper clip looking thing to secure the bolts. Cant think of anything else I would need at this point.

[oricha1984]

Originally Posted by Brad_SwiftFur

The alignment will be needed because you are removing the hub/spindle (from the strut) which will affect the camber - it will need to be reset, which is included in the alignment. Tell the shop the work done, they should know to check and reset the strut adjustments.

It takes highly specialized machines and training to do this job properly. It *can* be done at home if you have the knowledge and a few special tools, but honestly? I'd have it done at a shop.

I dont know anyone in the area that could recommend me a shop. I had bad experience with my previous shop.
So what is the safest option to have someone check the work done and for alignment. Honda Dealership ?

[cadillackid]

The car will talk to you, if you do something wrong then either the next part won't fit, or you'll have wierd noise or feel on your test ride.

Pressing - many napa stores have machine shops and can press out and in a bearing if you bring them the parts. I'm guessing you need the bearing pressed into the knuckle?
Christopher

[oricha1984]

Originally Posted by cadillackid

The car will talk to you, if you do something wrong then either the next part won't fit, or you'll have wierd noise or feel on your test ride.

Pressing - many napa stores have machine shops and can press out and in a bearing if you bring them the parts. I'm guessing you need the bearing pressed into the knuckle?
Christopher

correct, the job is to remove the knuckle, press out old bearing, press in new bearing & hub.

just got off the phone with my local napa store.
they do not do pressing and got quoted for $233 total for a kit with hub, bearing, nut, and snap ring. cheaper then Honda parts but still more expensive than alternatives.

[EastCoastCB]

Originally Posted by oricha1984

Honda dealership

Not much difference in cost between having it pressed and complete labor.
But big difference in parts cost.
They also said I can bring my own parts.


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Dude go to another shop, have them press it. Its not anything special so ANY alignment shop can do an alignment.
AVOID the dealer. Find a good mechanic that's got his own shop, for the jobs too big for you.

[Rusty]

I've never done alignment after hub replacement, but most everything on this vehicle works differently. Honda's were usually a "replace parts" car, not much to adjust.

First thing I do is get a copy of the FSM Field Service Manual for any vehicle I own. Not a Chilton's, but genuine Honda- sometimes on ebay. There is an ESM (electronic one) floating around the web.

That being said, I sent you a PM with the online link for Honda Fit/Jazz GE8 2008-2014

I'd download/print before it's gone. I even print the relevant pages if it's going to a non-dealer shop. Alignment specs are there, but like I mentioned, usually just swap bent/worn parts on a Honda until it steers straight.

Get Reading....

[oricha1984]

Originally Posted by EastCoastCB

Dude go to another shop, have them press it. Its not anything special so ANY alignment shop can do an alignment.
AVOID the dealer. Find a good mechanic that's got his own shop, for the jobs too big for you.

That's the big one: "find a good mechanic ..."

I guess I can give the guy that quoted me 41.25 a try.

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[EastCoastCB]

Originally Posted by oricha1984

That's the big one: "find a good mechanic ..."

I guess I can give the guy that quoted me 41.25 a try.

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I called the local tech school and now have a diesel mechanic on call. He's even mobile.
Maybe try calling the local vocational school and asking the instructor for any recommendations.

[oricha1984]

Originally Posted by Rusty

Get Reading....

Will do sir !

Originally Posted by EastCoastCB

I called the local tech school and now have a diesel mechanic on call. He's even mobile.
Maybe try calling the local vocational school and asking the instructor for any recommendations.

good idea

[oricha1984]

looking around on rockauto.com for parts.
So far I was recommended national parts.
What are some good brands for the common joe and what is the cheap chinese stuff ?
ty
raul

[Rusty]

Originally Posted by oricha1984

looking around on rockauto.com for parts.
So far I was recommended national parts.
What are some good brands for the common joe and what is the cheap chinese stuff ?
ty
raul

rockauto is great source. There are different "grades" of parts, price is guide. I skip the cheapest and the super-expensive. If I am saving money on labor, I get "little better" quality parts. Call them and ask or they have little heart/icon next to favorites.

[EastCoastCB]

I bet the oem part is made in good ole china.
My subaru is marked as "built in Japan". But its made almost entirely of chinese and taiwanese sub-assemblies and parts. Utter shite.

[oricha1984]

Originally Posted by Rusty

rockauto is great source. There are different "grades" of parts, price is guide. I skip the cheapest and the super-expensive. If I am saving money on labor, I get "little better" quality parts. Call them and ask or they have little heart/icon next to favorites.

Originally Posted by EastCoastCB

I bet the oem part is made in good ole china.
My subaru is marked as "built in Japan". But its made almost entirely of chinese and taiwanese sub-assemblies and parts. Utter shite.

The cheap stuff is definitely build with lesser quality materials and less likely to outlast its counterparts.
In my opinion, if I install the cheap stuff that needs replacement soon after, well, there goes more practice for me; it wont be a big deal.
I'll probably end up not buying the cheapest, but the next grade level up.
Thank you all

[cadillackid]

wow that none of your NAPA stores have machine shops.. I guess since Ohio has been home to so many factories over the years we have a lot of mechanical shops.. within 15 minutes of me i know of 3 machine shops that are reasonable price and open to the public..

sucks that there isnt a lot down where you are.. is there a driveshaft or steering shop? I dont know what city you are in specifically. if there is a race track nearby there will be a machine shop. or if there are any trucking depots.. or buig-truck repair shops.. usually there is a machine shop nearby to a place like that..
-Christopher

[oricha1984]

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[Jolly Roger]

Originally Posted by oricha1984

looking around on rockauto.com for parts.
So far I was recommended national parts.
What are some good brands for the common joe and what is the cheap chinese stuff ?
ty
raul

Don't know where they're made but I have used many a national brand bearings and seals and never had any bad ones.
Except one front pump seal I installed? Got everything back together and while cleaning up I found the spring that goes with the seal hoped it was from the old seal until I dug the old seal out of the oil pot and it still had its spring so back on the stands the truck went?
Talk about a long afternoon? a lot of curse words?
Good luck

[oricha1984]

After much research (service manual, forums, youtube, google), I've come to the conclusion that the easiest way (taking into account money spent in tools, time, labor) to fix a broken stud (on a Honda FIT) is to take it to a shop;
however, I was not only going after fixing it, but I wanted to understand how is it done.

Final recommendations:
Honda Tech: "pull the hub out (it will come out with the inner race), replace studs, push it back in. You do not need to replace wheel bearing).
Labor: $139 + tax.
Parts: $15 (4 new studs & log nuts from Oreilley)

Local Mechanic: This guy was interesting . . . When I asked about aproaches on how to fix it & how to prevent potential problems; here was his answer: "I will not tell you how to do it, you went to medical school or nursing school for a reason; I went to mechanic school to learn this stuff, look around, I have over 4k on tools just on this wall alone; if you want it fixed, bring it, you can see how is done". But wait, the Honda Fit has less space back there than other cars, look at this picture, are you sure you can do it. "Like I said, bring it to me and I'll get a new stud in there, end of story..."
Labor: 41.25 +tax
Parts: $15 (4 new studs & log nuts from Oreilley)


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[Rusty]

Originally Posted by oricha1984

Local Mechanic: This guy was interesting . . . When I asked about aproaches on how to fix it & how to prevent potential problems; here was his answer: "I will not tell you how to do it, you went to medical school or nursing school for a reason; I went to mechanic school to learn this stuff, look around, I have over 4k on tools just on this wall alone; if you want it fixed, bring it, you can see how is done". But wait, the Honda Fit has less space back there than other cars, look at this picture, are you sure you can do it. [I]"Like I said, bring it to me and I'll get a new stud in there, end of story..."

Forgot to mention- mechanics can be a cranky lot. It's kind of like irritating your waitress or Dentist- don't.

Ask him if you can record it on your phone and post to YouTube.

[oricha1984]

Originally Posted by Rusty

Forgot to mention- mechanics can be a cranky lot. It's kind of like irritating your waitress or Dentist- don't.

Ask him if you can record it on your phone and post to YouTube.

yeah right! If I ask him that, I'll probably end up getting thrown out of the shop with the stud up my butt.

It will have to wait until next week anyways because of our job schedules, no rush either way.

[Rusty]

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