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Old 05-28-2017, 09:59 AM   #41
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I think my 2017 Malibu Premiere is Worse.. a Bird crapped on it and the paint is RUINED in that spot!
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Old 05-28-2017, 03:24 PM   #42
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Use tractor paint and get a snake hood ornament. A big ol' owl might work too. lol

I learned long ago that you gotta wash off bird poop and love bugs, as soon as you can.
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Old 05-28-2017, 03:54 PM   #43
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I think my 2017 Malibu Premiere is Worse.. a Bird crapped on it and the paint is RUINED in that spot!
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the subaru paint is the worst I've ever seen. it chips if you look at it.
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Old 05-28-2017, 03:58 PM   #44
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pretty bad for a subaru since those were always designed for people to take them out in the woods a little.. tree leaves against it probably scratch...
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Old 05-28-2017, 04:09 PM   #45
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pretty bad for a subaru since those were always designed for people to take them out in the woods a little.. tree leaves against it probably scratch...
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Its so pitifully soft, I've never seen automotive paint so poor.
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Old 06-04-2017, 06:22 PM   #46
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So eastcoast posted this bus as the 'one to buy'.
https://www.govdeals.com/index.cfm?f...46&acctid=7239

I read about the gears and being nice, but why?
From my noob perspective: old bus (1986) hard to find replacement parts, CARB retrofit (bad ?), and 300k+ miles.

Why is this a good bus? Why not buy newer and less miles?

Please, remember the tittle of this thread ' teach me'. Since I don't know about buses I am likely to miss interpret information.

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Old 06-04-2017, 07:02 PM   #47
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I thought you wanted a shorter bus?

From what I've gathered the life expectancy on this type of bus is so long that it's not comparable to a school bus with the same mileage. Plus it has kind of a certain cool factor because they look a little different if you like that sort of thing.

Did you see that bus in the background on the third photo?
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Old 06-04-2017, 08:51 PM   #48
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I thought you wanted a shorter bus?

From what I've gathered the life expectancy on this type of bus is so long that it's not comparable to a school bus with the same mileage. Plus it has kind of a certain cool factor because they look a little different if you like that sort of thing.

Did you see that bus in the background on the third photo?
Yes. I'm looking for a short bus, but I like to learn, and since most of the conversion are done on bigger buses, I might do a big one in the far future.

I'm mostly about functionality and not so much on cool factor.
Anyhow, just trying to learn.

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Old 06-04-2017, 08:57 PM   #49
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So eastcoast posted this bus as the 'one to buy'.
https://www.govdeals.com/index.cfm?f...46&acctid=7239

I read about the gears and being nice, but why?
From my noob perspective: old bus (1986) hard to find replacement parts, CARB retrofit (bad ?), and 300k+ miles.

Why is this a good bus? Why not buy newer and less miles?

Please, remember the tittle of this thread ' teach me'. Since I don't know about buses I am likely to miss interpret information.

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This bus is pre-emissions. All mechanical.
It has a REAL engine, a badass transmission, air ride, its built way better than most any other school bus except MAYBE Crown.
To make a "skoolie" ride and drive the way this one does would take many thousands of dollars. Buy this bus and you're miles ahead of us folks putting around with 444's and such.
Drive a regular BB, IC, or Thomas and then drive one of these and you'll immediately notice the difference.
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Old 06-04-2017, 10:40 PM   #50
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Nicely said, EastCoastCB!

That Gillig Phantom has a true heavy-duty engine that was designed to (and in Greyhound's transcontinental service would) run for days without being shut off, most of that time at full power and on the governor. A modern school bus's medium-duty or pickup-truck engine simply cannot do that, nor is it even intended to do so. However, what makes that bus so unusual is its driveline - it has a 10-speed Road Ranger transmission (VERY unusual behind a 6V92), and a 3.73 axle, meaning that it will cruise at about 75 MPH in direct-drive top, all day, every day. Gillig's airbag suspension isn't the smoothest-riding, but it works well enough. I seriously considered a Phantom when I was looking for my bus, but I'm happy enough with my Super II. Having those big windows will let in lots of light, but would make it more difficult to build interior cabinets above the windows. The Crown's curved roof may look more old-fashioned than the Phantom's flatter roof, but it has worked well for me when installing my solar panels - with such a curved roof I can lay my panels down against the roof at 21 degrees down, the ideal angle for Southern California year-round insolation!

Regarding parts availability, it's often easier to get parts for 30 or 40 years old Gilligs and Crowns than for newer disposabuses, simply because the former buses use standard off-the-shelf heavy-duty Class-8 truck parts that any good truck parts supplier has in stock or can easily order. There is literally nothing mechanical or electrical at all that I've not been able to easily replace on my 1990 Crown, and folk with Crowns and Gilligs older than mine report similar experiences getting parts for them. Don't compare them to other school buses, but instead to MCIs and Class 8 trucks! It's not uncommon to see Crowns with well over a million miles on them, and they're still going strong. Some of the Eastern Sierra and Mojave Desert school districts in California were putting a few hundred miles a day on their Crowns, and their newer disposabuses now are simply not holding up in that service, with repeated electrical and electronic-module failures sometimes putting them out of service after only a few years. Crown's buses typically used to cost at least 50% more than the eastern brands, yet school districts simply found them to be better long-term value for money. What manufacturer these days offers a 20-year and 200,000 miles warranty? 'Nuff said. Gillig's buses were very comparable to Crowns in that regard.

That's a fine bus and it would make a good conversion, especially for someone who would be putting in the miles every year. I wonder if it was one of Stockton's? Go for it!

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Old 06-05-2017, 01:02 AM   #51
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Thank you all for sharing the knowledge. I'll keep on reading and learning.
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Old 06-05-2017, 04:35 AM   #52
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I'm trying to convince Roxanne that we REALLY need that bus.
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Old 06-05-2017, 07:42 AM   #53
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I love the look of that bus. It reminds me of the huge Coach USA transportation busses. I drool when I see one go by. Imagine the room inside! And those awsome Windows.

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Fine I'll buy it. 10k should do it ?
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Fine I'll buy it. 10k should do it ?
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Honestly, this bus probably won't go near that high. Probably $3500-$5500.
GO FOR IT!
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Honestly, this bus probably won't go near that high. Probably $3500-$5500.
GO FOR IT!
I trust you guys. But what can I do with such a large bus...
Maybe later on

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Do you think you'll have the same chance again?
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Do you think you'll have the same chance again?
Idk. But I just wouldn't know what to do with a large bus at this point.
We even think our house is too big. Lol.

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Yeah, I know. Usually the timing is never right. I'd love to have a bus like that too but it's completely impractical for my current situation. It would never make it in my driveway and I don't want to go through another bus until this one dies.
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This shorty looks cool. But old. Older than me . . .
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