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Old 10-21-2019, 11:03 AM   #1
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1986 international s1700

Iím interested in buying this bus. The guy says he only knows the YMCA rebuilt the engine last year. He doesnít know what kind it is other than he put diesel fuel in it. He says it runs and drives perfectly. It does have the diamond on it so it was the newer style in the switch over;see pics from article. Anything anyone can tell me about it? He wants $3000
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Old 10-21-2019, 11:48 AM   #2
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That's about double the normal value of a bus that old. International is a good quality brand. Without knowing a bunch more about it I would say it is not a good deal. I just bought an 05 Thomas from the auction for $1500.
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Old 10-21-2019, 12:49 PM   #3
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He sent me pics of engine but knows nothing about it other than it was rebuilt last year. He bought it for a good truck but ended up not having the money to buy all the supplies.
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Old 10-21-2019, 12:49 PM   #4
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That's about double the normal value of a bus that old. International is a good quality brand. Without knowing a bunch more about it I would say it is not a good deal. I just bought an 05 Thomas from the auction for $1500.
Personally i would rather an old international with a mechanical dt466 over just about anything made in newer years. Depending on a few factors, that could be a real gem or a real turd. Everyone likes to talk about how they got there bus for $1000 at auction. Truth is that good skoolies are getting harder and harder to find due to many going to scrap, outliving there service life, and the increased popularity in the culture. If the bus had an inline 6 diesel over the v8 diesel..and assuming the rest of the bus is.in good condition, this has the possibility of being a decent deal in my opinion. More info is needed. Get the guy to send pics of the bus and engine and post them here.
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Old 10-21-2019, 12:54 PM   #5
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He sent me pics of engine but knows nothing about it other than it was rebuilt last year. He bought it for a good truck but ended up not having the money to buy all the supplies.

That's the v8 diesel..6.9/7.3 idi. I say let it go. It's a turd and not that sought after.
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Old 10-21-2019, 01:03 PM   #6
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My problem is I want a bus with 6-9 windows. It seems like everyone else wants that too. They are hard to find to begin with. I’ve been searching for a 466,even 444, but everyone also wants those. I’ve found a few 5.9 but they had 250,000-300,000 miles.
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Old 10-21-2019, 01:30 PM   #7
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My problem is I want a bus with 6-9 windows. It seems like everyone else wants that too. They are hard to find to begin with. Iíve been searching for a 466,even 444, but everyone also wants those. Iíve found a few 5.9 but they had 250,000-300,000 miles.
Truth. I say keep looking, they pop up from time to time. California is prime right now with there new emissions laws.
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Old 10-21-2019, 01:33 PM   #8
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That's the v8 diesel..6.9/7.3 idi. I say let it go. It's a turd and not that sought after.
So now you agree with me.
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So now you agree with me.
I read back through the posts but am not sure what yr reffering to.??
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Old 10-21-2019, 01:41 PM   #10
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I read back through the posts but am not sure what yr reffering to.??
Your post #4 quoting me.
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Old 10-21-2019, 01:48 PM   #11
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Your post #6 quoting me.
You mean post #4 when I said it could be a real gem or a real turd depending on a few factors? If so, than I guess I was partially agreeing with you in that more info was needed. if it had turned out to be a dt466 powered short bus with a rebuilt engine, $3000 might be a great deal in my opinion. Too bad this is not the case.
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Old 10-21-2019, 03:49 PM   #12
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If it's an 86 s1700 it should have the 6.9 idi. They used the same series idi engine in ford trucks until 1994. No turbo, naturally aspirated, so they're low powered compared to newer diesels. The s1900 is what came with the dt466.

My bus is an 84 s1700 with the 6.9/at545. It runs great and hauls my full sized bus up to 75 on the flats. But I maintain it and know how to fix it myself fwiw. Some people might not be capable of that.

I paid 3500 for mine but it came stripped and converted to how I generally wanted it and already had a motorhome title. 3000 is probably too much for a bare bones bus, see if you can haggle him to 2000 and get some more info on the engine rebuild/warranty?
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Old 10-21-2019, 08:47 PM   #13
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My bus is an '89 s1800 and it has the dt360, so I guess that all kinda makes sense. I payed the insanely steep price of $5k for mine and learned a ton in the process. To my defense, this bus was a 7+ window Thomas "tall bus" with a dt360, 5 speed, air ride in the rear, Alcoa wheels, and was already registered as a motorhome in California. That's also after having several others sold out from under me.
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Old 10-22-2019, 10:25 AM   #14
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Some would disagree because of age, but your's would be worth 5k IMO. Tall bus and rear air ride are good options.
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[QUOTE=Booyah45828;355144]Some would disagree because of age, but your's would be worth 5k IMO. Tall bus and rear air ride are good options.[/

Though some are bound to disagree, many don't know that most vehicles were built better back then..engines and drivetrains didn't have much emissions equipment and were built simply and to last. modern vehicles are (well) designed tomeet modern emission laws and provide a certain (shorter) service life and then be replaced and recycled. As far as maintenance and reliability, I try to avoid driving anything newer than the mid '90's of I can help it. Now, trying to find vehicles with low enough miles to be worth maintaining becomes the trick here. They might not be fancy or have all the bells and whistles bit they just keep going..and when the stop going, they often can be fixed without to much trouble Ę2
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My bus is an '89 s1800 and it has the dt360, so I guess that all kinda makes sense. I payed the insanely steep price of $5k for mine and learned a ton in the process. To my defense, this bus was a 7+ window Thomas "tall bus" with a dt360, 5 speed, air ride in the rear, Alcoa wheels, and was already registered as a motorhome in California. That's also after having several others sold out from under me.
Sounds like a deal to me.
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Old 10-22-2019, 12:13 PM   #17
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Some would disagree because of age, but your's would be worth 5k IMO. Tall bus and rear air ride are good options.[/

Though some are bound to disagree, many don't know that most vehicles were built better back then..engines and drivetrains didn't have much emissions equipment and were built simply and to last. modern vehicles are (well) designed tomeet modern emission laws and provide a certain (shorter) service life and then be replaced and recycled. As far as maintenance and reliability, I try to avoid driving anything newer than the mid '90's of I can help it. Now, trying to find vehicles with low enough miles to be worth maintaining becomes the trick here. They might not be fancy or have all the bells and whistles bit they just keep going..and when the stop going, they often can be fixed without to much trouble Ę2
I cant' stand newer products and vehicles. Its all junk.
I'm finding the early 2000's to be the cutoff of manufacturing quality for almost everything.
Our 2012 and 2013 subaru's were the biggest turds I've ever owned. I also was not a fan of the low build quality of my 2004 IC CE300.
But my 99 Thomas/Freightliner and my wife's 99 miata are both really well built.
My 87 Chevy Custom Deluxe 4x4 is built way better than the modern plastic disposable trucks!
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Old 10-22-2019, 02:11 PM   #18
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Ehhhh, I don't know if I'd go that far.

Certain things have improved over the years. The axles and brakes used on buses built in the last 20 years are heavier and better lasting then those built in the 70's. I'd take any allison electronic transmission over their manual counterparts. We went through twice the transmissions, even the mt643, then what we replace now.

Yes, emissions stuff sucks, but I'd rather have seat belts, abs, air bags, and the gamut of safety features we have now vs some of the death traps that were rolling around years ago. And I don't say death traps lightly, some were literal death traps.
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