Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
 
Old 11-05-2018, 06:38 PM   #1
Mini-Skoolie
 
Join Date: Sep 2018
Location: Georgetown, TX
Posts: 19
7.3L or DT444E?

Hi all,

I'm stumped by a couple Craigslist ads for buses. I've puzzled through the forums and Google, but realized I should ask the experts here...

I'm considering two different 6x window International buses.

The CL ads list each bus's engine as an International 7.3, but I'm wondering if these are actually DT444Es based on the bus year?

Did International stop making the 7.3L IDI once the 444E went into buses in 1994?

Here are the specs:

Bus A -
1994 International 3700
175k miles
6x windows
7.3L V8 diesel engine (according to CL post)
auto Allison transmission (still trying to get the owner to pull the serial number)
hydraulic brakes
Amtran body

Bus B -
2000 International 3800
107k miles
6x miles
7.3L, 8-cylinder diesel engine (according to CL post)
auto Allison transmission (still trying to get the owner to pull the serial number)

Are these decent engines for these buses?

Thanks for the help!
Chad1865 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-05-2018, 06:41 PM   #2
Bus Nut
 
Dog Rescuer's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2017
Location: On the Road
Posts: 460
Year: 2000
Coachwork: BlueBird
Chassis: International 3800
Engine: 7.3L 210HP Turbo Diesel T444E
Rated Cap: 28 + 3 wheel chairs.
I am not sure when International stopped with the T444E - but the T444E I have in my 2000 International 3800 is a 7.3L V8 Turbo Diesel.
__________________
- Roger (Dog.Rescuer)
Dog Rescuer is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-05-2018, 07:39 PM   #3
Mini-Skoolie
 
Join Date: Sep 2018
Location: Georgetown, TX
Posts: 19
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dog Rescuer View Post
I am not sure when International stopped with the T444E - but the T444E I have in my 2000 International 3800 is a 7.3L V8 Turbo Diesel.
Thanks! So a 7.3L and a T444E could be one and the same?

How do you like your 2000 International 3800? Any issues?
Chad1865 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-05-2018, 07:49 PM   #4
Bus Nut
 
johnbloem1974's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2015
Location: Montana/Texas
Posts: 433
Year: 1998
Coachwork: Crown by Carpenter
Chassis: International 3800
Engine: DT 466e/MT 643!
Rated Cap: 16
The T444E is International's version of the Ford 7.3 Powerstroke V-8. Ford and International had a partnership building these engines. Anything in an International Medium-Duty Chassis (3600, 3700, 3800) would have had the T444 or T444E depending on the year. Anything that went on a Ford Chassis (van or Pickup Truck) would have the Ford badged Powerstroke 7.3

They both used the same block, but different peripherals/computers/injectors were used by Ford and International....

John
johnbloem1974 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-05-2018, 07:49 PM   #5
Bus Nut
 
Johnny Mullet's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2017
Location: Ashtabula, Ohio
Posts: 705
Year: 1996
Coachwork: Thomas
Chassis: International
Engine: T444E 7.3L
The T444E was manufactured from 1994 to 2004, replacing the 7.3 L IDI V8 designed by International Harvester. As a result of federal emission standards, the T444E was discontinued midway through the 2003 model year, replaced by the all-new 6.0 L VT365. The 7.3L T444E went through a few changes through the years, but basically the same engine.

Both busses have the same engine. The newer bus will probably have more HP, but that can be checked by the passenger side valve cover label with the HP rating stamped out. The older bus probably has the old AT545 Allison which is a good tranny, but not ideal for mountains and extended highway driving. The newer bus might have the same tranny or something better. I love my 7 window International bus......
Attached Images
File Type: jpg IMG_20171029_141108030.jpg (92.4 KB, 23 views)
__________________
Mullet's Thunder Bus Build
Johnny Mullet is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-05-2018, 08:10 PM   #6
Mini-Skoolie
 
Join Date: Sep 2018
Location: Georgetown, TX
Posts: 19
Quote:
Originally Posted by Johnny Mullet View Post
The T444E was manufactured from 1994 to 2004, replacing the 7.3 L IDI V8 designed by International Harvester. As a result of federal emission standards, the T444E was discontinued midway through the 2003 model year, replaced by the all-new 6.0 L VT365. The 7.3L T444E went through a few changes through the years, but basically the same engine.

Both busses have the same engine. The newer bus will probably have more HP, but that can be checked by the passenger side valve cover label with the HP rating stamped out. The older bus probably has the old AT545 Allison which is a good tranny, but not ideal for mountains and extended highway driving. The newer bus might have the same tranny or something better. I love my 7 window International bus......
Thanks, Johnny, this is exactly the info I was looking for!

I'll look for the HP stamp on the label. I plan to do a lot of highway and mountain driving, so I want to avoid the AT545 if possible.

The guy I talked to with the 2000 bus mentioned it has a lockup and doesn't go above 55mph. Based on what I've read, the AT545 didn't come with a lockup converter, so I'm hoping it has a better tranny. Not sure what to do about only being able to drive 55 though...that feels really slow.
Chad1865 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-05-2018, 08:16 PM   #7
Bus Geek
 
Join Date: May 2009
Location: Columbus Ohio
Posts: 10,029
Year: 1991
Coachwork: Carpenter
Chassis: International 3800
Engine: DTA360 / MT643
Rated Cap: 7 Row Handicap
model year 2000 was the first year international offered the allison 2000 transmission withc Lockup. it was late availability.. iot could be an MT-643 which is non overdrive buit with lockup..



if the seller will get you the VIN you can call the international dealer adn ask them:


1. engine and power rating
2. what transmission
3. what rear gear ratio it has
4. tire size (seller can likely get you that)..



the dealer can tell yuo those answers from the VIN.. with those numbers we can tell you if the speed limit is mechanical (requiring parts changes) or if its simply the computer program( dealer / truck shop or anyone with the programmer can change).
-Christopher
cadillackid is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-05-2018, 08:31 PM   #8
Bus Geek
 
EastCoastCB's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2014
Location: Eustis FLORIDA
Posts: 15,569
Year: 2004
Coachwork: IC
Chassis: CE300
Engine: DT466E
Rated Cap: 32
Only way to know the true miles is to look in the computer. I'd doubt any bus that's being sold as a 2000 with 6k miles.
__________________
.
Roll Your Own Build Thread
EastCoastCB is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-05-2018, 08:41 PM   #9
Bus Nut
 
Johnny Mullet's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2017
Location: Ashtabula, Ohio
Posts: 705
Year: 1996
Coachwork: Thomas
Chassis: International
Engine: T444E 7.3L
A capable scan tool would be able to change a few settings including the road speed limiter and other tweaks. It is possible that bus is governed for road speed by the computer parameters.

__________________
Mullet's Thunder Bus Build
Johnny Mullet is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-05-2018, 08:57 PM   #10
Mini-Skoolie
 
Join Date: Sep 2018
Location: Georgetown, TX
Posts: 19
Thanks for all the helpful replies!


Quote:
Originally Posted by cadillackid View Post
model year 2000 was the first year international offered the allison 2000 transmission withc Lockup. it was late availability.. iot could be an MT-643 which is non overdrive buit with lockup..



if the seller will get you the VIN you can call the international dealer adn ask them:


1. engine and power rating
2. what transmission
3. what rear gear ratio it has
4. tire size (seller can likely get you that)..



the dealer can tell yuo those answers from the VIN.. with those numbers we can tell you if the speed limit is mechanical (requiring parts changes) or if its simply the computer program( dealer / truck shop or anyone with the programmer can change).
-Christopher
Christopher, that's a great idea. I just got the VIN from the seller and will call an International dealer in the morning. Thanks so much!

Quote:
Originally Posted by EastCoastCB View Post
Only way to know the true miles is to look in the computer. I'd doubt any bus that's being sold as a 2000 with 6k miles.
EastCoast, the 6x "miles" was a typo on my end. I meant to say 6x windows. It has 107k miles. A 2000 with only 6,000 miles would definitely be suspicious!

Quote:
Originally Posted by Johnny Mullet View Post
A capable scan tool would be able to change a few settings including the road speed limiter and other tweaks. It is possible that bus is governed for road speed by the computer parameters.

Johnny, I sure hope this bus is governed by computer parameters and it's as easy to change the road speed as in your video. What types of shops or mechanics typically have the computer and software shown in your video?
Chad1865 is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


» Featured Campgrounds

Reviews provided by

Powered by vBadvanced CMPS v3.2.3

All times are GMT -5. The time now is 03:28 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 4
Copyright ©2000 - 2018, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.