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10-17-2016, 08:04 PM
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Bus Nut
Join Date: Sep 2016
Location: NY
Posts: 487
Year: 2000
Coachwork: Carpenter
Chassis: International 3800
Engine: T444E
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97-03 International T444E Service Manual PDF
Took me a long time to track this down and compile it ... download the PDF for free HERE, or pay $120USD on eBay. It is complete minus a few blank pages to cut down on the file size.
ENJOY.
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10-17-2016, 09:18 PM
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Bus Geek
Join Date: May 2009
Location: Columbus Ohio
Posts: 18,707
Year: 1991
Coachwork: Carpenter
Chassis: International 3800
Engine: DTA360 / MT643
Rated Cap: 7 Row Handicap
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I have that and also have the full Oncommand which is about 5 gigs of stuff...
i think my t444E diagnostics is interactive if run in windows.. I know the oncommand is.. does your T444E have 9 sections mosrt of them dated from 2004?
and of course internztional gives away the servicemaxx J1708 now which is what we need for the T444E / DT466E
-Christopher
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10-17-2016, 11:30 PM
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Bus Crazy
Join Date: Sep 2016
Location: SE Florida
Posts: 1,108
Year: 2003
Coachwork: International
Engine: T444E
Rated Cap: 65 pax
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Quote:
Originally Posted by warewolff
Took me a long time to track this down and compile it ... download the PDF for free HERE, or pay $120USD on eBay. It is complete minus a few blank pages to cut down on the file size.
ENJOY.
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Mines a 2003... THANK YOU! My son-in-law the mechanic may need this one day
Sandi
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10-18-2016, 06:58 AM
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Bus Geek
Join Date: May 2009
Location: Columbus Ohio
Posts: 18,707
Year: 1991
Coachwork: Carpenter
Chassis: International 3800
Engine: DTA360 / MT643
Rated Cap: 7 Row Handicap
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remember to downgrade your IE or run it in compatibility mode for ie8 or ie9 and set the security low enough to allow activeX to run... that whole setup (if its the same one I have) is browser based...
we need a palce to compile service information for the busses..
-Christopher
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10-18-2016, 08:50 AM
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Bus Crazy
Join Date: Nov 2011
Location: Sault Ste. Marie, Ontario
Posts: 1,782
Year: 1997
Coachwork: Thomas
Chassis: B3800 Short bus
Engine: T444E
Rated Cap: 36
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Here is the T444e Diagnostic Manual as well: https://www.dropbox.com/s/y1vt3i3ude...mized.pdf?dl=0
It has some really useful flowcharts. I've used them a couple times to diagnose electrical issues.
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10-18-2016, 08:53 AM
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Bus Geek
Join Date: May 2009
Location: Columbus Ohio
Posts: 18,707
Year: 1991
Coachwork: Carpenter
Chassis: International 3800
Engine: DTA360 / MT643
Rated Cap: 7 Row Handicap
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Quote:
Originally Posted by jazty
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is that the one which goes through the Computer as well as the mechanics?
I have 2 now one that is more the mechanics, and one which tests and shows proper values for all of the Electronics as well.
-Christopher
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10-18-2016, 08:57 AM
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Bus Crazy
Join Date: Nov 2011
Location: Sault Ste. Marie, Ontario
Posts: 1,782
Year: 1997
Coachwork: Thomas
Chassis: B3800 Short bus
Engine: T444E
Rated Cap: 36
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It is largely electrical diagnostics, including the computer modules. If I'm not mistaken, it also has mechanical diagnostic flow charts, but it doesn't walk through repair procedures. That's when the service manual steps up to the plate.
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10-18-2016, 09:11 AM
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Bus Geek
Join Date: May 2009
Location: Columbus Ohio
Posts: 18,707
Year: 1991
Coachwork: Carpenter
Chassis: International 3800
Engine: DTA360 / MT643
Rated Cap: 7 Row Handicap
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perfect it sounds like the same set I have then.. thats exsctly how the 2 volumes I have are.. one does the diagnotsics and the other manual shows you how to actual remove and reinstall the parts...
this is a great time to be compiling this information as more and more members are buying HEUI busses...
one thing to add is that the full set of info I have (I think its the same that the OP posted).. also covers some diagnostics and info on the cummins engines when they were used on an international Chassis...
a lot of the T-444E diagnostics for the electronic sensors also applies to the DT-466E, as the 466E also utilized the HEUI system.. while the mechanics are totallty different, the concepts of the fuel and oil systems are vewry similar..
the cummins are not HEUI engines, they use some electronic controls but most of the ones we will be dealing with in the forums here will be mechanical Injection pumps.
-Christopher
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12-15-2016, 07:07 PM
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Skoolie
Join Date: Mar 2016
Location: Hempstead Tx
Posts: 213
Year: 2000
Coachwork: Bluebird
Chassis: International
Engine: t444e
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I owe you a beer
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01-16-2017, 03:09 PM
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Almost There
Join Date: Jan 2017
Location: somewhere over the rainbow
Posts: 73
Year: 2000
Coachwork: blue bird
Engine: international 3800 t444e 7.3L
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thank you so much. ive been needing those 2 pdfs so bad.
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01-22-2017, 09:07 AM
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Almost There
Join Date: Jan 2017
Location: Where I Am
Posts: 99
Year: 2004
Coachwork: IC
Chassis: IC3S530
Engine: T444E
Rated Cap: 41
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What WelcomeHome said ... times 8! Thank you!
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05-26-2017, 07:13 PM
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#12
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Mini-Skoolie
Join Date: Aug 2015
Location: Calgary, AB
Posts: 67
Year: 97
Coachwork: Moi
Chassis: International
Engine: 444e...7.3L
Rated Cap: 36
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By chance does anyone have the electrical diagrams? I have a gremlin that sets off my dash alarm everytime I pull the headlight switch. Drives me crazy.
The brake pressure sensor specifically is the one going off. I think probably it's the tan wires off my headlite switch maybe melted into the brake pressure sensor wires....pls jesus be easy...
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05-26-2017, 07:54 PM
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#13
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Bus Geek
Join Date: May 2009
Location: Columbus Ohio
Posts: 18,707
Year: 1991
Coachwork: Carpenter
Chassis: International 3800
Engine: DTA360 / MT643
Rated Cap: 7 Row Handicap
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I have the full on command set for 2014 but it's like 6 gigs
Christopher
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05-29-2017, 12:40 PM
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#14
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Mini-Skoolie
Join Date: Aug 2015
Location: Calgary, AB
Posts: 67
Year: 97
Coachwork: Moi
Chassis: International
Engine: 444e...7.3L
Rated Cap: 36
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Well, I'm gonna take the positive wires off the starter one at a time till the short stops and then I'm gonna chase it I guess.
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05-31-2017, 10:12 AM
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#15
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Mini-Skoolie
Join Date: Aug 2015
Location: Arlington, WA
Posts: 12
Year: 2001
Coachwork: International
Chassis: Amtran
Engine: T444E
Rated Cap: 72
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Download issues
Having trouble here at work, I'll try at home and hope for better luck. Less Security at home.
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06-14-2017, 02:44 PM
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#16
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Mini-Skoolie
Join Date: Aug 2015
Location: Calgary, AB
Posts: 67
Year: 97
Coachwork: Moi
Chassis: International
Engine: 444e...7.3L
Rated Cap: 36
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06-14-2017, 06:42 PM
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#17
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Mini-Skoolie
Join Date: Aug 2015
Location: Calgary, AB
Posts: 67
Year: 97
Coachwork: Moi
Chassis: International
Engine: 444e...7.3L
Rated Cap: 36
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09-05-2017, 03:51 PM
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#18
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Mini-Skoolie
Join Date: Aug 2017
Location: Saint Paul, Minnesota
Posts: 41
Year: 1989
Engine: DT360 Diesel
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Can I get the updated link to the owners manual ( 97-03 International Manual ) ?? I have a Thomson International 3800 DT360 Engine
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09-07-2017, 10:28 PM
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#19
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Mini-Skoolie
Join Date: Aug 2015
Location: Calgary, AB
Posts: 67
Year: 97
Coachwork: Moi
Chassis: International
Engine: 444e...7.3L
Rated Cap: 36
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You will want a detroit engine manual. International is the chassis maker...and they do have their own engine line...but detroit is a different engine company altogether. Actually I think that Thomas is a coach maker company. So your frame is international, cabin is thomas and your engine is detroit. You may luck out...but you might have better luck in the detroit engine/drivetrain forum.
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09-08-2017, 09:32 AM
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#20
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Bus Geek
Join Date: May 2016
Location: Eastern WA
Posts: 6,401
Year: 2002
Coachwork: Bluebird
Chassis: All American RE (A3RE)
Engine: Cummins ISC (8.3)
Rated Cap: 72
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Quote:
Originally Posted by rock649
You will want a detroit engine manual. International is the chassis maker...and they do have their own engine line...but detroit is a different engine company altogether. Actually I think that Thomas is a coach maker company. So your frame is international, cabin is thomas and your engine is detroit. You may luck out...but you might have better luck in the detroit engine/drivetrain forum.
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Probably not.....
DT-360 is manufactured by International along with it's larger siblings, DT-466 and DT-530.
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