Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
 
Old 08-23-2016, 10:03 AM   #21
Mini-Skoolie
 
chad.nuesmeyer's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2016
Location: Salt Lake City
Posts: 30
Year: 2001
Coachwork: Blue Bird
Chassis: TC2000
Engine: Cummins 5.9 (24v)
Rated Cap: 66 Passenger
Yes, retarder... Thanks.

What about the trans combo's? I see lots of 545's... Is it realistic to find a 466 with a Allison 2000 or 3000.

Also, what motor(s) would be an upgrade from the 466, assuming there is one? Rather on newer buses are they still using the 466 or have they migrated to another platform?
chad.nuesmeyer is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-23-2016, 10:26 AM   #22
Bus Geek
 
EastCoastCB's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2014
Location: Eustis FLORIDA
Posts: 12,182
Year: 1992
Coachwork: Ward/AmTran
Chassis: International
Engine: dt466
Rated Cap: 78
Quote:
Originally Posted by chad.nuesmeyer View Post
Yes, retarder... Thanks.

What about the trans combo's? I see lots of 545's... Is it realistic to find a 466 with a Allison 2000 or 3000.

Also, what motor(s) would be an upgrade from the 466, assuming there is one? Rather on newer buses are they still using the 466 or have they migrated to another platform?
Only the lowest HP rated 466's came with the 545's.
__________________
.
Roll Your Own Build Thread
EastCoastCB is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-23-2016, 10:29 AM   #23
Bus Geek
 
Join Date: May 2009
Location: Columbus Ohio
Posts: 7,950
Year: 1991
Coachwork: Carpenter
Chassis: International S3800
Engine: DT360
Rated Cap: 7 Row Handicap
the DT-466E often came with a 2000 or 3000 transmission.. in newer busses they sometimes were called "maxxforce DT"

I dont think I ever saw a mechanical DT-466 with a 2000 series.. but lots of mechanicals with the MT-643 transmission.

-Christopher
cadillackid is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-23-2016, 04:29 PM   #24
Mini-Skoolie
 
chad.nuesmeyer's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2016
Location: Salt Lake City
Posts: 30
Year: 2001
Coachwork: Blue Bird
Chassis: TC2000
Engine: Cummins 5.9 (24v)
Rated Cap: 66 Passenger
I am on unclear on the difference (read value add to me) between Mechanical Motors (DT466) and Computer Aided (DT466e)?

Also, has anybody had any experience with Spice Transmissions? One of the bus' I have found has the DT466e with a Spicer 5 speed manual transmission ES53-5A. Looking around online and it appears that there is plenty of parts and support for the Tran but, how does it compare to the Allison's?

Note, I am fine driving Manual Transmission (as is my wife), daily driver is a turbo diesel, we are familiar with turbo spool.
chad.nuesmeyer is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-23-2016, 05:38 PM   #25
Bus Nut
 
Join Date: May 2014
Location: West Ohio
Posts: 626
Year: 1984
Coachwork: Bluebird
Chassis: International 1753
Engine: 6.9 International
Rated Cap: 65
The added electronics will make the engine slightly more fuel efficient/eco friendly, at the cost of reliability. Now I'm not saying the E engines are junk, there's just a lot more to go wrong with them because of all the added sensors and electronics. I'd prefer a mechanical engine versus an electronic but I wouldn't let that be a primary factor on buying a bus.

If you found a good deal on a manual bus, and you're comfortable with a manual, then take it. Automatics are less work and therefore easier for the general public to drive. If the trans and clutch were taken care of you won't have issues with a spicer.

If it was me, I'd prefer an overdrive 5th vs a direct 5th. But either will work fine as long as you can get down the highway in a desirable manner.
Booyah45828 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-23-2016, 05:49 PM   #26
Bus Geek
 
Tango's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2011
Location: Houston, Texas
Posts: 6,173
Year: 1946
Coachwork: Chevrolet/Wayne
Chassis: 1- 1/2 ton
Engine: Cummins 4BT
Rated Cap: 15
What Booyah said. The mechanical engines don't have all the computer related i$$ues that the "E" engines are highly prone to suffer from. Personally, I'll take an all mechanical any day.

As a side note...you can buy a newer electronically controlled Cummins 4 banger for about half the price of an older all mechanical. Why?...cause knowledgeable transplanters don't want to deal with trying to drive or hotrod something that Bill Gates configured.
Tango is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 08-25-2016, 12:51 AM   #27
Mini-Skoolie
 
chad.nuesmeyer's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2016
Location: Salt Lake City
Posts: 30
Year: 2001
Coachwork: Blue Bird
Chassis: TC2000
Engine: Cummins 5.9 (24v)
Rated Cap: 66 Passenger
Any input on the international 7.3L motor? My 466 turned out to be a dud... needs rebuilt (and that might be the best case). My quick research says that the International could be more expensive to maintain than a DT466 or a Cummins 8+ but, it should be less than the Mercedes or Cat... Is that true?

Also, I was looking at traditional Amtran body styles but, prices seem really high when compared to a flat front... This got me thinking about my use case. I don't want a full length, I am thinking about a 28-30 foot length but, winter driving &/or dirt roads will happen nearly every outing. Regular driving up steep canyon roads... I don't want to get a CDL so, scratch the Air Brakes (UT requires CDL for air brakes - as does Canada).

I think, I want the engine up front to put weight on the front wheels for steering control. If it were a rear engine, and I put water tanks in the rear (even if they were mid-body), that would reduce the weight on steering wheels. Although, rear engine and rear mounted water tanks would offer more traction.... What has experience taught this crew? Am I creating an issue where non exists?

The other factor on the front end, one of the brokers I have been talking with says that south american bus exports love the amtran body style and are causing a price inflation on the body style. However, flat fronts are not seeing the same inflation. Just a data point. I am not opposed to a flat front... I get more living space on the total vehicle length of 30'. The shorter flat fronts like the TC1000 have a completely flat surface through the interior (no wheel wells) but, the wheels are smaller... Not sure what the net impact of that would be...

Thanks in Advance - I know I am throwing a lot out there on this one beyond the 466 vs. 444 - Thanks Again.
chad.nuesmeyer is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-25-2016, 02:03 AM   #28
Bus Nut
 
Join Date: May 2016
Location: Georgia
Posts: 925
Year: 2001
Coachwork: Blue Bird
Chassis: IH
Engine: T444E
Rated Cap: 14
Quote:
Originally Posted by chad.nuesmeyer View Post
Any input on the international 7.3L motor? My 466 turned out to be a dud... needs rebuilt (and that might be the best case). My quick research says that the International could be more expensive to maintain than a DT466 or a Cummins 8+ but, it should be less than the Mercedes or Cat... Is that true?
DT466 *IS* International. They are pretty common engines and easy to find parts for. The 7.3/DT444 is also an International engine, the 7.3 version used in Fords, the DT444 (essentially same thing) used in IH.

Personally I prefer the DT466 and believe they can go a million miles if properly cared for. That said, they do wear out and are said to be fairly straightforward to rebuild "in frame".
Brad_SwiftFur is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 08-25-2016, 08:43 AM   #29
Bus Nut
 
Join Date: Jun 2011
Location: KANSAS CITY
Posts: 567
On a Flat nose out on gravel etc i would choose a front engine bus. Dragging the bus behind you is better than trying to push it.
__________________
Former owner of a 1969 F600 Skoolie.

1998 Ford B700 Thomas body 65 passenger. 5.9 Cummins 12 valve with MT643 Transmission 123,000 miles.
Versatile is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-25-2016, 12:19 PM   #30
Bus Nut
 
Join Date: Aug 2014
Location: MD near DC
Posts: 839
Quote:
Originally Posted by Versatile View Post
On a Flat nose out on gravel etc i would choose a front engine bus. Dragging the bus behind you is better than trying to push it.
I'm not sure what you mean here, since both styles are rear wheel drive?
dan-fox is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


» Virginia Campgrounds

Reviews provided by

Powered by vBadvanced CMPS v3.2.3

All times are GMT -5. The time now is 12:45 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 4
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.