Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
 
Old 06-09-2016, 05:23 PM   #1
Bus Crazy
 
Join Date: May 2016
Location: Pacific North Wet
Posts: 1,007
Year: 2002
Coachwork: Bluebird
Chassis: All American RE (A3RE)
Engine: Cummins ISC (8.3)
Rated Cap: 72
DT466 vs T444?

Hey Everyone,

I am on a quest for a bus and have been looking for a good conversion candidate.

I am really stuck on having an MD3060 or an MT643 transmission and a DT466 or 8.3 Cummins.

I have found some 40' Thomas & International busses with the appropriate transmission but the DT466 equipped that I have looked at have all been 300-400k mile rigs. I have found a couple that are under 200k miles, priced right and look good but they have the T444 engine.

What do you all think of the T444 in this application versus the DT466?

Thanks
PNW_Steve is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-09-2016, 06:20 PM   #2
Bus Geek
 
EastCoastCB's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2014
Location: Eustis FLORIDA
Posts: 10,042
Year: 1992
Coachwork: Ward/AmTran
Chassis: International
Engine: dt466
Rated Cap: 78
Quote:
Originally Posted by PNW_Steve View Post
Hey Everyone,

I am on a quest for a bus and have been looking for a good conversion candidate.

I am really stuck on having an MD3060 or an MT643 transmission and a DT466 or 8.3 Cummins.

I have found some 40' Thomas & International busses with the appropriate transmission but the DT466 equipped that I have looked at have all been 300-400k mile rigs. I have found a couple that are under 200k miles, priced right and look good but they have the T444 engine.

What do you all think of the T444 in this application versus the DT466?

Thanks
They're both great engines. But in something like a bus bigger is almost always better.
__________________
.
Roll Your Own Build Thread
EastCoastCB is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-09-2016, 06:43 PM   #3
Bus Crazy
 
Join Date: May 2016
Location: Pacific North Wet
Posts: 1,007
Year: 2002
Coachwork: Bluebird
Chassis: All American RE (A3RE)
Engine: Cummins ISC (8.3)
Rated Cap: 72
Quote:
Originally Posted by EastCoastCB View Post
They're both great engines. But in something like a bus bigger is almost always better.
I do understand. No replacement for displacement...

What has me wondering is that the DT466 busses I am looking at are mostly pushing 300-400k miles while the similar year & price busses with the T444 are mostly under 200k miles.
PNW_Steve is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-09-2016, 11:14 PM   #4
Bus Nut
 
Join Date: May 2016
Location: Georgia
Posts: 614
Year: 2001
Coachwork: Blue Bird
Chassis: IH
Engine: T444E
Rated Cap: 14
I have long felt that, with proper care, the DT466's can go a million miles without major work. Now, whether the respective care has been done or not is another matter.
Brad_SwiftFur is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-09-2016, 11:21 PM   #5
Skoolie
 
Alan N's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2015
Location: Gonvick MN
Posts: 248
Year: 1975
Chassis: Gillig
Engine: Cat 3208t/10 speed transmission
Quote:
Originally Posted by PNW_Steve View Post
Hey Everyone,

I am on a quest for a bus and have been looking for a good conversion candidate.

I am really stuck on having an MD3060 or an MT643 transmission and a DT466 or 8.3 Cummins.

I have found some 40' Thomas & International busses with the appropriate transmission but the DT466 equipped that I have looked at have all been 300-400k mile rigs. I have found a couple that are under 200k miles, priced right and look good but they have the T444 engine.

What do you all think of the T444 in this application versus the DT466?

Thanks
The 444 is a good pickup engine.
The 466 is a good medium duty truck engine.
Just my opinion.
__________________
Sufficient unto the day is the evil thereof.
Alan N is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-10-2016, 07:10 AM   #6
Bus Crazy
 
gbstewart's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2010
Posts: 1,157
Year: 1999
Coachwork: Bluebird
Chassis: 3800 International
Engine: T444E
Rated Cap: 72
I like them both, each have there features , and both are good motors, I have the T444e and really happy with it so far, easy to work on and parts are available everywhere
gbstewart
__________________
my bus build viewtopic.php?f=9&t=5931
gbstewart is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-10-2016, 08:59 AM   #7
Bus Nut
 
Join Date: Jan 2015
Location: Kansas
Posts: 495
Year: 2000
Chassis: International 3800
Engine: T444E
Rated Cap: Your mom +1
I also have the T444e and am happy with it. It's a turd but it has started every time I turn on the key, and I didn't exactly buy the bus to drag race it... And I can walk into any auto-parts store and get parts for it, so there's that.
slaughridge85 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-10-2016, 09:44 AM   #8
Bus Nut
 
Carytowncat's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2016
Location: Richmond Virginia
Posts: 899
Year: 1984
Engine: 366 Big block Chevy! :) w/ Stick shift
Hi,

The T444 is a V8 diesel, correct?
Is the 466 an inline 6 diesel?
Carytowncat is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-10-2016, 09:52 AM   #9
Bus Nut
 
Join Date: Jan 2015
Location: Kansas
Posts: 495
Year: 2000
Chassis: International 3800
Engine: T444E
Rated Cap: Your mom +1
correct on both.
slaughridge85 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-18-2016, 10:29 AM   #10
New Member
 
pegabus's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2015
Location: North West Suburbs of Chicago
Posts: 5
Year: 2000
Coachwork: International
Chassis: AmTran, IC chassis
Engine: T444E
Rated Cap: 72, 37'
I have a T444E, yep great motor, starts every time, very reliable. But its down on Hp and pretty gutless on the hills. Pulling long grade tends to overheat due to using every once of power for so long. DT466 more modern, efficient and better power, however plagued with injector failures and EGR cooler clogging. So if you willing to put about $2,000 into the DT466 you will have a better motor, but dam international and there engineering department to go backward with durability.
pegabus is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


» Virginia Campgrounds

Reviews provided by

Powered by vBadvanced CMPS v3.2.3

All times are GMT -5. The time now is 03:58 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 4
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.