Originally Posted by cadillackid
there were a few mechanicals after 1994.5 but few and far between.. his is 1985 so definitely mechanical..
if you sre going to build a bus like you want then id say who cares what drivetrain you buy.. get thecheapest rust free bus you an find and build away..
I did that wit ha Number of hotrods I built.. bought an old V-6 whatever that no one wanted and swapped in my own engine / trans /and rear .. I looked for the cheapest nost rust free body i could find , bought that car, and it was in pieces within days of my getting it..
a couple of times I built an engine and then sat and thought "ok what can I go buy to put it in?"
uf you buy a bus with a T-444E, you part the injectors, ECM's, etc out... theres still a fair amount of 7.3 power-strokers out there that would love to get decent injectors halfway cheap..
I know right now of a couple school busses that have bad injectorss or IDM's.. so you could recoup some cost by parting a motor out.. esp the electronics for other T-444E's and injectors..
the PSD folk have different ECM's.. but the IDM's are the same and the injectors on some of them..
the long block might be worth something...
probably not much for an AT545 but an allison 2000 would definitely bring a few bucks..
The DT466 should be mechanical all the way up to 1998. 1998.5 was the start of the DT466E. I thought they only started using the DT466 in 1994 in the busses but yes, I know pretty much anything diesel and pre94 is mechanical.
As for why I'm making such a big stink out of this: I figure that the DT466 mechanical is the only engine with the reliability and power I would be satisfied with. If I can get a bus with that engine and I do like it, then I will only have to swap rear axle and transmission. If I don't like it, I can then swap the motor as well. If I get a bus with a T444E, then from the get go I will be planning a motor, transmission, and rear axle swap. I'm going to put money into this build but I'm not made of money 😀
The way I see it, factory specs say the DT466 mechanical will go up to ~240HP and 600 ft lb of torque. As others have proven, it wouldn't take much to go up to 400HP/1000ftlb if one wanted to, but that's not me. If i do like the DT466, Ill pair it up with a 7 speed Fuller (.75:1 OD) and 3.8x:1 rear axle. that should give me 65mph without wrapping the tach to red on that motor and it will still have the acceleration and hill climbing power with the motor at stock output.
If I don't like the DT466, I'll part the motor out or sell it outright and do the Series 60 Detroit / Eaton 10 speed (.074:1 OD) / and 3.55:1 air ride rear axle, all out of a donor class 8 truck. Honestly, for what I can get a totaled class 8 for, I could sell the DT466 and get the whole donor truck with everything I need in it all in one shot! It's kind of a good deal for me so that's the baseline I'm trying to stick with.
Sorry if I have not been very clear up until now. I drive big trucks for a living so I'm posting whenever I have time and trying to do it fast. I hope this helps!
Last ditch, I found a 84 pax international with a T444E and air brakes close to Austin, TX today. It's a southern bus in good shape, running well, 89k miles. The district it's at has pulled the outer duals off, I assume for other busses, but say that they can find me some to put on it and take it home if I want it.
Any of you guys that have read this far and are looking to buy a bus, do yourself a favor and check the local auctioneer service close to where you live. You can pick these busses up for $1500-$3000 in good condition. Most of the auctions are online and require a refundable $100 deposit. A short description on each unit is listed but you are able to swing by wherever the unit is physically located and inspect before bidding. It will keep you out of these money hungry "bus dealers" and you will have the same selection that they do. For 25% of the price!