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Old 08-30-2019, 10:19 AM   #1
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In-Frame on flat nose FE?

Hey alls..


We're starting to look into bigger buses now that our family has grown a bit and we are strongly considering an IH based FE flat nose. My question is, when the time comes, is it possible to do an in-frame on these? How much harder are they to work on? Is there hatches inside for access?


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Old 08-30-2019, 10:31 AM   #2
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There will be a hatch on the inside, but it's not going to make every job easy. I think I technically have enough access to get the head off, where access to the injection pump and air compressor is extremely limited.

A rear engine would be the easiest for major work, and I get a little sad when I see how accessible everything is in them...
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Old 08-30-2019, 10:41 AM   #3
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Problem is we are wanting to build it in a way where we can park our jeep on the rear and still have enough living space to be comfortable.


In that instance, rear engines are out. It's either a traditional long nose or flat nose FE.


Thanks for the input!
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Old 08-30-2019, 10:46 AM   #4
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I think dead pirate recenty did a DT466E FE..



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Old 08-30-2019, 10:50 AM   #5
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International RE's are not my favorite RE config because instead of the radiators off to the side they put it across the back so you have mainly side access..



I got to spend some time areond a CAT 3126 RE this past weekend at a bus rally and it was nice to get to..



Brokedown;s 5.9 FE seems like its packed tight in there.. im not sure how he put belts on that thing.. someone needs to come up with a hinged-radiator flex hose system for those..

if doing an in-frame of course you'll have the rad / CAC out anyway so access will be much easier with doghouse open and full front access.. likely easier at that point than an RE or CE to work on.. its those times when you arent doing a teardown that it seems accessibility on an FE is an issue


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Old 08-30-2019, 12:45 PM   #6
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Thanks for the insight.


We aren't set on a flat nose as they are somewhat hard to come by in my area where as I can get "just off route" full size traditional buses for ~2-3k all day and drive home in 45 minutes or so.


We are just in the planning stages right now so not sure what'll happen but we'll see.
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Old 09-04-2019, 04:14 PM   #7
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DT466E Inframe

I just finished my inframe on my FE DT466E. Not hard at all, just takes time and patience.

Found a Fleetrite kit for 1280 for pistons, liners, all bearings and all gaskets.

I also doubled up on the lifter dog bones on behest of a veteran Navistar tech.

I put a turbo cartridge in also, cheap way to rebuild a turbo.
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Old 09-04-2019, 04:26 PM   #8
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While a dog nose may be easier to work, it does not automatically mean an FE is hard to work on. I would never base my purchase on ease of doing an engine replacement. I would buy what I want and deal with engine swap IF and when it happens.
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While a dog nose may be easier to work, it does not automatically mean an FE is hard to work on. I would never base my purchase on ease of doing an engine replacement. I would buy what I want and deal with engine swap IF and when it happens.
Me too, Marc.
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International RE's are not my favorite RE config because instead of the radiators off to the side they put it across the back so you have mainly side access..



I got to spend some time areond a CAT 3126 RE this past weekend at a bus rally and it was nice to get to..



Brokedown;s 5.9 FE seems like its packed tight in there.. im not sure how he put belts on that thing.. someone needs to come up with a hinged-radiator flex hose system for those..

if doing an in-frame of course you'll have the rad / CAC out anyway so access will be much easier with doghouse open and full front access.. likely easier at that point than an RE or CE to work on.. its those times when you arent doing a teardown that it seems accessibility on an FE is an issue


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I checked out BrewerBob's Blue Bird RE and I was amazed at the engine access. It's like a workshop tacked on the end of the bus with the engine hanging up nicely in the middle of it.
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