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Old 09-14-2015, 05:47 AM   #11
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Hey, my brakes stop better than I need them to! I'd gladly trade off a bit of braking power for better steering. Move the brake pedal a teeny bit.... FULL STOP.
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Old 09-14-2015, 01:48 PM   #12
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I'm not spending $300+ on the Safe-T plus thing somebody recommended. Maybe eventually but for now I can just get used to it. After a 3 hour each way trip on the bus I got used to being wiggly and had to get used to driving my Element again without wiggling the wheel.
A steering damper wont change the looseness, something is worn out causing what you describe. U joints, gear box, drag link end, tie rod ends, king pins, wheel bearings, and spring bushings can all cause that. Have someone rock the wheel while you crawl over it and check those things for looseness.

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Is there any other way for me to tighten it up a bit? Turning the screw in the steering box doesn't seem to help at all; it's already all the way turned in. Maybe there's an adjustment on the thrust bearing?
I wouldn't have messed with that. That's an old trick that people would do to extend the life but most of the times it would be short lived. The problem with it is there's no real way to see if it's preloaded right with it on the bus, and you can't really base it off of how tight the adjusting screw gets.
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Old 09-14-2015, 02:36 PM   #13
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Like I said before, steering is way overrated. Why invest a few hundred dollars for piece of mind when the lives of you, your girlfriend and that precious goat hang in the balance. I found a cheap fix for you that should work just fine. I think it would be strong enough for your bus. It would replace the steering gear box completely so you won't have the potential of leaks.




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Old 09-14-2015, 06:25 PM   #14
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Hardy har har. I spoke to an International dealership today. Mechanic said there's a next to nothing chance that it being worn out would cause a safety issue as long as we were still able to drive it with compensation for the play. He said the whole thing would have to shear off in order to cause anything that would prevent us from being able to control the steering. Dan followed me to town in my car today, and said that the bus wasn't wandering around at all. After I drive it a little bit I don't even really notice the play because I adjust to it without thinking about it. Nothing is loose outside of the gear box, so if we want it fixed then we'd be replacing the gear box. International mechanic recommended just keeping an eye out for a deal on one but not being overly concerned about fixing it ASAP.

(Oh, and also, Crazycal, I'm the gal. Dan doesn't have a forum account. And I don't really do relationships. He's just along for the ride. )
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Old 09-14-2015, 06:27 PM   #15
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International guy also said that newer school buses have LESS play, but all still have some amount and there aren't generally any that are actually tight.
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Old 09-14-2015, 07:26 PM   #16
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Well, that International mechanic I don't want him anywhere NEAR my buses then! All my buses are tight on steering, even the ones at work! I'd definitely seek another opinion QUICKLY!!!! In addition I'd find a new steering box as well.
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Old 09-14-2015, 08:57 PM   #18
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Fire that international mechanic.

All buses must have min .5% play in the steering to pass commercial safety inspections here in Alberta. (CVIP)

Stop trying to tell yourself it's ok. Get under there, find out what is wrong, and fix it like you did the engine.

I have faith in you and your friend. You did great with the engine.

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It'll definitely be on the to-do list, but we have to be outta here by the weekend and still have a lot to do. Must be in ND by next Friday for work. After the month of work we'll have enough money to replace it.

Why is the allowable limit for running school buses up to 2 inches or 30 degrees?
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Old 09-15-2015, 01:49 AM   #20
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Why is the allowable limit for running school buses up to 2 inches or 30 degrees?
I suspect this might vary from place to place a bit, but as I posted, Here in Alberta it's .5 of a inch, not a whopping 2 inches.

That is bases on a steering wheel tuning 100 inches from lock to lock.

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