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Old 09-16-2016, 06:44 PM   #1
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Anyone have any experience with these? Thoughts? Is this a better alternative in terms of longetivity to say, an Allison auto? What should I expect?

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Old 09-16-2016, 07:06 PM   #2
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Welcome wolf. My first bus had a spicer, but i know nothing about em.

Is there a bus you want that has one?
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Old 09-16-2016, 07:29 PM   #3
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Yes. Considering a 99 DT466E with under 120k miles and approximately 6800 hours. What are your thoughts on it?
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Old 09-16-2016, 09:15 PM   #4
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Old 09-17-2016, 12:57 AM   #5
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Spicer

My bus has a spicer 5 speed, Several of our tow trucks have spicers. They are good transmissions. The clutch is a single plate ceramic disc, I plan to go to a twin disc organic easy pedal clutch or an allison mt643. If you like driving a standard trans , this is the way to go.
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Old 09-17-2016, 01:46 AM   #6
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I swapped a spicer from. A 72 dump truck into my bus, you gotta bump second to get the synchros going to get 1st from a stop. But I'm sure modern spiders have 1st and reverse synchronized. Spicers are beefy. Some people say they don't shift as smooth as an eaton m. I don't know I never drove one. Bottom line, in a rv application, your unlikely to
Ever break a spicer 5speed as long as you keep the fluid full.
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Old 03-24-2018, 10:04 PM   #7
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I swapped a spicer from. A 72 dump truck into my bus, you gotta bump second to get the synchros going to get 1st from a stop. But I'm sure modern spiders have 1st and reverse synchronized. Spicers are beefy. Some people say they don't shift as smooth as an eaton m. I don't know I never drove one. Bottom line, in a rv application, your unlikely to
Ever break a spicer 5speed as long as you keep the fluid full.
So I'm rereading all of my old posts and such trying to figure out what to do next mechanically. I have never, not once, changed my transmission fluid on my 5 speed Spicer. I'm embarrassed to say I didn't know I had to. I know that when I drove it home for the first time from Maryland, there was a nasty electrical-like burning smell. I figured it was the transmission as the bus had sat for like 2 years before I bought it. If I remember correctly, the smell went away and the rest of the ride was cake. Can anyone point me in the right direction as to how I should be servicing my transmission?
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Old 03-24-2018, 10:19 PM   #8
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Drop the oil and see what it looks like. If it looks like oil (not silver or grey and full of stuff) fill it up with synthetic 50wt transmission oil and move on.
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hi there,
sombody know the axle ratio from a international shorty, 5 speed spicer with 7,3l ?
found a plate on rear-axle (not in good condition) with a number 6.5....but think it`s very short. any idea to get a little longer rear axle ratio. idea what rear axle will fit , best way plug`n play?
btw....last week , brother in law change the oil in the gearbox, and he said, it was worth the work and money....
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Old 06-03-2018, 10:28 AM   #10
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Pig, mine is 4.44 and is a decent gear ratio.

So I bought two gallons of "Lucas Oil 10146 Synthetic 50WT Transmission Lubricant" and a hand pump. .. I found the fill and drain holes for the transmission but I don't have any level ground near me... has anyone swapped their manual transmission fluid? How long will this job realistically take? Could I just stop at a Wal-Mart for 20 minutes, place an oil pan underneath the gearbox, open it up, close, fill, and drive away? Is there any procedure to run through after filling? Should I mock run through all the gears before I take off? The bus has been sitting for quite awhile now and I'm getting a burning smell from the clutch ... hoping it just sat too long and isn't burned out already. No slipping yet. Any input appreciated.
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Old 06-03-2018, 11:11 AM   #11
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You don't need to be on"level" ground, just close to it. Takes about 20 minutes, The burning smell may be oil on the clutch, clutch misadjusted or oil on the exhaust. Look for oil in and around the flywheel access holes.
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Old 06-03-2018, 11:54 AM   #12
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Welp, I cannot get those square pegged bolts off for the life of me. I even used an impact gun to no avail. Am I totally F'ed? These shouldnt be on that tight, should they? I don't want to try too much more for fear of rounding the squares. The burning smell almost had the aroma of burning electronics.
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Old 06-03-2018, 01:29 PM   #13
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burning oil smell is fairly common from a 444E, they are known to develop minor oil leaks around the HPOP fittings leaving oil to ooze into the valley which most times makes its way to the flywheel housing or sometimes to the exhaust.. most noticeable when you mash it and run it up to freeway speeds from a dead stop..



if any oil made it to the flywheel youd definitely get oil smell when you let the clutch out from a stop..



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Old 06-03-2018, 01:47 PM   #14
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Would it smell like burning electronics? The smell is definitely coming from the transmission ... I checked, no melted wires. Any advice on getting those square pegged plugs out?
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I usually put an open end wrench on and tap on the wrench with a mallet to break them loose..
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Would it smell like burning electronics? The smell is definitely coming from the transmission ... I checked, no melted wires. Any advice on getting those square pegged plugs out?
Heat the metal around the plug with a propane torch and it will free up the plug.
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This is an inverted square nub, just in case I didn't describe it clearly enough. It protrudes in rather than sticking out. Like an indentation. Rather than use a socket I'm trying with a 1/2" socket wrench.
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This is an inverted square nub, just in case I didn't describe it clearly enough. It protrudes in rather than sticking out. Like an indentation. Rather than use a socket I'm trying with a 1/2" socket wrench.
So a 1/2 extension fits in the hole? Heat it like I said and twist it out.
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Alright, will give that a try. You dont think ill have issues with igniting all the old oil that's stuck to the gearbox, do you?
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Alright, will give that a try. You dont think ill have issues with igniting all the old oil that's stuck to the gearbox, do you?
Clean it off first. No you won't ignite it. Just run the torch in a circle around the plug, not on the plug, doesn't need to be super hot. You're just eating the surrounding metal to expand and release the plug.
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