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Old 03-26-2015, 08:02 AM   #41
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Best source for a nice rear end?

Here's the deal on this. We have been talking rear end ratios. We haven't been talking about sources for the right one to use. What other vehicles can we take punkins out of to use in our buses? Can we just go to a truck yard and have a dif taken out of a dump truck, semi, etc? What specifics should we be looking for?
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Old 03-26-2015, 09:41 AM   #42
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No, you have to figure out what kind of specific rear end you have. There should be a tag somewhere on the axle, probably covered in grease and road grime. From there, you can figure out what type axle you have, the gear ratio it originally came with, and some other numbers. The key is the axle type. You can then go on spicer's or dana's website and look up specific info about your axle, including ratio's available.

The axle on my bus is a spicer f170s. Using that data I found out that my axle is obsolete, however dana still lists parts for them so not all is lost. It also lists multiple ratios from 4.33 all the way to 7.17. I also found that it was used in straight trucks as well as busses.

Find your axle type and google search it.
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Old 03-26-2015, 03:05 PM   #43
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Your bus has the International N-190 19,000 lbs rear axle.

You may want to consider purchasing another bus for donor parts. It would most likely cost less than purchasing all of the additional parts a piece at a time.

A new set of rear gears or even a set of reconditioned rear gears could set you back well in excess of $1,000.00.

As an alternative you may want to consider this bus as a donor. It has the DT466 210 HP engine, MT653 (5-speed automatic) transmission, and 4.78 gears. Since it will cruise easily at 70 MPH I have to wonder if 5th is an OD gear rather than 5th Direct with a deep low 1st.

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Old 03-26-2015, 08:05 PM   #44
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you can buy my N190 4.78 rear end cheap if I can ever get teh people with the 4.10 rear end to respond to my emails so I can buy it
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Old 03-28-2015, 11:03 AM   #45
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I usually get emails about thread updates but didn't this time so I had no idea all this talking was happening! =] Kubla, how much are you thinking on your rear end? (That sounds funny.) I wonder if this one is compatible? Blue Bird Air Brake Rear End

I'd like to avoid buying another bus if at all possible... But it might be unavoidable. We're pulling the oil pan today to see about the coolant leak. Did a pressure test for 15 mins and it dropped from 10psi to 8psi, but we can also hear an air hiss leak in the radiator hose that might have something to do with that.
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Old 03-28-2015, 11:46 AM   #46
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If I had to do this all over again, a rust free body would be more important than a running engine.

Rust is imposable to fix. We can slow it down, but never fix it.

A engine can be swapped out, or rebuilt at any time.

I would build the bus, leave the engine alone till your done.

The shape of the body would be my determining factor on whether to buy a new bus, or convert the one you have.

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Old 03-28-2015, 12:15 PM   #47
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I've seen zero rust anywhere on it. I'm hesitant to start the build until I've determined how bad the engine damage is and how much it will cost to fix. If it ends up being over $1500 (with doing the work myself) then I'll probably just go for a different bus since the tires alone on this one are worth about $1000 as they are.
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Old 03-28-2015, 01:13 PM   #48
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Just don't trash the engine.
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Old 03-28-2015, 02:31 PM   #49
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Think anybody would be wanting to buy the engine as is? If I could get enough for it I might be interested in getting a bus with a 466 engine from another school district. I looked at quite a few before I bought this one. I think they're the same price, too.
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Old 03-28-2015, 04:04 PM   #50
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That is a good engine. Someone will want it. They could use it for a swap.
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