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06-09-2017, 01:31 PM
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#21
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Traveling
Join Date: Nov 2015
Location: Midwest
Posts: 2,573
Year: 2003
Coachwork: BlueBird
Chassis: TC2000
Engine: 5.9L Cummins
Rated Cap: '00
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Quote:
Originally Posted by PNW_Steve
Seriously, this is a piece of the conversion that I would be better off buying an off the shelf solution than trying to build it myself.
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Is this off the shelf enough?
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06-09-2017, 01:31 PM
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#22
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Bus Geek
Join Date: Feb 2016
Location: Willamina, Oregon
Posts: 6,409
Coachwork: 97 Bluebird TC1000 5.9
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Since I have a FE bus, even at the 5.9, I can't imagine getting another alternator up there where I already can't reach. I'd like the redundant power source idea and appreciate that it can be 24 volt. I was thinking of just a HO alternator.
Yes the Dodge forum is geared toward 5.9s, but we're only talking about pulleys and belts. It would be pretty simple to weld two single alternator brackets together. It takes a long time to build a bracket like that from scratch.
I'm not familiar with the RE buses engine compartment, but it sounds like you'd have adequate space to mount another alternator.
That's what's fun about building a bus. Figuring out how to do the things we're not supposed to be able to do.
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Nobody's Business
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06-09-2017, 01:36 PM
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#23
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Bus Geek
Join Date: Oct 2016
Location: Essex, MD
Posts: 3,738
Year: 1999
Coachwork: Blue Bird
Chassis: Blue Bird TC RE 3904, Flat Nose, 40', 277" wh base
Engine: 8.3L Cummins ISC 260hp, MT643, 4.44 rear
Rated Cap: 84 pax or 1 RV; 33,000lbs
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Originally Posted by Robin97396
I'm not familiar with the RE buses engine compartment, but it sounds like you'd have adequate space to mount another alternator.
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I've got room for two of your quad alternator setups. Of course I could either drive the bus or drive the alternators at that point but there's lots of room on an RE.
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That's what's fun about building a bus. Figuring out how to do the things we're not supposed to be able to do.
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^This^
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06-09-2017, 02:07 PM
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#24
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Bus Geek
Join Date: Feb 2016
Location: Willamina, Oregon
Posts: 6,409
Coachwork: 97 Bluebird TC1000 5.9
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I can't reach up to the front of my engine through the doghouse. Then again I don't have house batteries yet either. I like the separate alternator idea as a means of charging while traveling. I have no idea how to accomplish that in a FE bus though. Even installing a single HO alternator pretty much requires pulling the radiator.
I'm going to stick with just a generator for off grid for a year or two, and will likely have a few house batteries so I can run a TV on the mountain tops after dark.
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Nobody's Business
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06-09-2017, 02:13 PM
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#25
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Bus Geek
Join Date: Oct 2016
Location: Essex, MD
Posts: 3,738
Year: 1999
Coachwork: Blue Bird
Chassis: Blue Bird TC RE 3904, Flat Nose, 40', 277" wh base
Engine: 8.3L Cummins ISC 260hp, MT643, 4.44 rear
Rated Cap: 84 pax or 1 RV; 33,000lbs
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Robin97396
Even installing a single HO alternator pretty much requires pulling the radiator.
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Damn, didn't know it was that tight in an FE. Glad I don't have one. Sounds like dog nose is the way to go if you just gotta have an FE.
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06-09-2017, 02:15 PM
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#26
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Bus Geek
Join Date: May 2016
Location: Eastern WA
Posts: 6,401
Year: 2002
Coachwork: Bluebird
Chassis: All American RE (A3RE)
Engine: Cummins ISC (8.3)
Rated Cap: 72
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Rusty
Is this off the shelf enough?
NEW 24V ALTERNATOR FITS CUMMINS ENGINE INDUSTRIAL B C K L SERIES 10459002 10459057
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Price: $192.95 & FREE Shipping
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It is a thing of beauty!!
If it only came with a bracket to accomodate a dual alternator setup. Unfortunately it does not...
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06-09-2017, 02:17 PM
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#27
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Bus Geek
Join Date: May 2016
Location: Eastern WA
Posts: 6,401
Year: 2002
Coachwork: Bluebird
Chassis: All American RE (A3RE)
Engine: Cummins ISC (8.3)
Rated Cap: 72
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Room is not an issue on my RE. Plenty of space.
I can sit in the engine compartment next to the motor....
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06-09-2017, 02:33 PM
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#28
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Bus Geek
Join Date: Oct 2016
Location: Essex, MD
Posts: 3,738
Year: 1999
Coachwork: Blue Bird
Chassis: Blue Bird TC RE 3904, Flat Nose, 40', 277" wh base
Engine: 8.3L Cummins ISC 260hp, MT643, 4.44 rear
Rated Cap: 84 pax or 1 RV; 33,000lbs
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Quote:
Originally Posted by PNW_Steve
It is a thing of beauty!!
If it only came with a bracket to accomodate a dual alternator setup. Unfortunately it does not...
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I don't think your '02 is set up the same as my '99. The routing of the turbo is different I believe. I don't know if that's because it is an '02 or because the bus I was looking at had the MD3060. If it is absolutely the same, I might could make you a bracket.
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06-09-2017, 02:45 PM
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#29
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Bus Geek
Join Date: May 2016
Location: Eastern WA
Posts: 6,401
Year: 2002
Coachwork: Bluebird
Chassis: All American RE (A3RE)
Engine: Cummins ISC (8.3)
Rated Cap: 72
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Brewerbob
I don't think your '02 is set up the same as my '99. The routing of the turbo is different I believe. I don't know if that's because it is an '02 or because the bus I was looking at had the MD3060. If it is absolutely the same, I might could make you a bracket.
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Here are a couple of engine compartment pics:
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06-09-2017, 02:47 PM
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#30
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Bus Geek
Join Date: May 2016
Location: Eastern WA
Posts: 6,401
Year: 2002
Coachwork: Bluebird
Chassis: All American RE (A3RE)
Engine: Cummins ISC (8.3)
Rated Cap: 72
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BrewerBob,
Any assistance would be appreciated.
I am not even sure where to put it and how to reroute the serpentine belt.
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06-09-2017, 04:12 PM
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#32
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Bus Crazy
Join Date: Aug 2014
Location: SW New Hampshire
Posts: 1,334
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Quote:
Originally Posted by PNW_Steve
Here are a couple of engine compartment pics:
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Man, that's clean enough to eat off of! It didn't come that way did it?
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06-09-2017, 05:49 PM
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#33
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Bus Nut
Join Date: Mar 2015
Location: hills of sw virginia
Posts: 889
Year: 1996
Chassis: thomas
Engine: 8.3 cummins
Rated Cap: 11 window
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Quote:
Originally Posted by PNW_Steve
BrewerBob,
Any assistance would be appreciated.
I am not even sure where to put it and how to reroute the serpentine belt.
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you can get another pully to drive the alt like they do for ac. less stress on the existing belt. you will need to have a mount fabbed up but wont be too pricey.
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06-09-2017, 05:50 PM
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#34
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Bus Geek
Join Date: May 2009
Location: Columbus Ohio
Posts: 18,830
Year: 1991
Coachwork: Carpenter
Chassis: International 3800
Engine: DTA360 / MT643
Rated Cap: 7 Row Handicap
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Robin97396
It's real. I can't imagine why, but it's real.
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DUB cars with 5000 watt plus sound systems are often outfitted with lots of alternators and batteries
-Christopher
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06-09-2017, 06:10 PM
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#35
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Bus Geek
Join Date: Feb 2016
Location: Willamina, Oregon
Posts: 6,409
Coachwork: 97 Bluebird TC1000 5.9
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The string of four chrome alternators does look kind of pretty.
I like the redundancy theory of using two common inexpensive alternators that could easily be replaced while in a foreign country, like Kanada.
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Nobody's Business
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06-09-2017, 07:26 PM
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#36
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Bus Nut
Join Date: Feb 2016
Location: in the bus on the road
Posts: 529
Year: 1998
Coachwork: myself
Chassis: amtran
Engine: international dt466e allison md 3060
Rated Cap: 13 ton or so says the tit
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Tango
Dead Pirate --- does your 260 have an external rectifier? And how do you have it wired into your system?
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Yes. It is switched. It can charge when the bank is just a little low. If it's below 10 volts Its too much of a drain and blows the circuit.
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06-09-2017, 07:29 PM
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#37
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Bus Geek
Join Date: Mar 2011
Location: Houston, Texas
Posts: 8,462
Year: 1946
Coachwork: Chevrolet/Wayne
Chassis: 1- 1/2 ton
Engine: Cummins 4BT
Rated Cap: 15
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Thanks...good to know --- I am hoping to be able to top off my house bank with the 250 I have installed. Just need to figure out how best to control it all.
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06-09-2017, 07:37 PM
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#38
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Bus Nut
Join Date: Feb 2016
Location: in the bus on the road
Posts: 529
Year: 1998
Coachwork: myself
Chassis: amtran
Engine: international dt466e allison md 3060
Rated Cap: 13 ton or so says the tit
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Tango
Thanks...good to know --- I am hoping to be able to top off my house bank with the 250 I have installed. Just need to figure out how best to control it all.
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Someone suggested that i run it through the solar charge controller. It can regulate the flow proper.
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06-09-2017, 07:38 PM
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#39
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Bus Nut
Join Date: Feb 2016
Location: in the bus on the road
Posts: 529
Year: 1998
Coachwork: myself
Chassis: amtran
Engine: international dt466e allison md 3060
Rated Cap: 13 ton or so says the tit
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Dead pirate
Someone suggested that i run it through the solar charge controller. It can regulate the flow proper.
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I run it through a 30 amp controller
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06-09-2017, 08:03 PM
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#40
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Bus Nut
Join Date: Feb 2016
Location: in the bus on the road
Posts: 529
Year: 1998
Coachwork: myself
Chassis: amtran
Engine: international dt466e allison md 3060
Rated Cap: 13 ton or so says the tit
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Tango
Thanks...good to know --- I am hoping to be able to top off my house bank with the 250 I have installed. Just need to figure out how best to control it all.
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Not sure if i said or not, but acontroller of some kind is needed. If the house bank is too low when you engage the alternator it will be a huge draw and ohms law and stuff.
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