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10-21-2017, 12:41 AM
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Bus Nut
Join Date: Jul 2017
Location: Rapid City, SD
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Isc 8.3 vs dt466e
Hello,
Im am still in search of a bus. While i would prefer a mechanical fuel injection I'm mostly finding newer electric engines. Any opinions on isc 8.3 vs dt466e for power, reliability, longevity? I have read that the pre 2003 isc had the CAPS fuel injection prior to common rail and that they had issues. Dt466e ran a HEUI but havn't read anything bad about them. Any other pros or cons to these engines?
Thanks
Ted
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10-21-2017, 10:51 AM
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Bus Geek
Join Date: May 2016
Location: Eastern WA
Posts: 6,401
Year: 2002
Coachwork: Bluebird
Chassis: All American RE (A3RE)
Engine: Cummins ISC (8.3)
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Great question.
Both engines have very good reputations. I look forward to hearing from the DT contingent.
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10-21-2017, 11:17 AM
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Bus Geek
Join Date: May 2009
Location: Columbus Ohio
Posts: 18,828
Year: 1991
Coachwork: Carpenter
Chassis: International 3800
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alot depends on what bus body style you want.. the 8.3 is most common in a rear engine.. the 466E seems to show up most in front engine busses, though it exists in rear engine as well..
-Christopher
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10-21-2017, 12:17 PM
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Bus Nut
Join Date: Jul 2017
Location: Rapid City, SD
Posts: 993
Year: 2001
Coachwork: Blue Bird
Chassis: CS RE
Engine: ISC 8.3 L 260 hp
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The only 8.3 I have seen are in RE. I was set on getting a conventional but after some research i might be leaning toward a RE.
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10-21-2017, 12:24 PM
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Bus Geek
Join Date: May 2016
Location: Eastern WA
Posts: 6,401
Year: 2002
Coachwork: Bluebird
Chassis: All American RE (A3RE)
Engine: Cummins ISC (8.3)
Rated Cap: 72
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Quote:
Originally Posted by TJones
The only 8.3 I have seen are in RE. I was set on getting a conventional but after some research i might be leaning toward a RE.
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Bluebird did equip All American FE's with the 8.3.
Not sure I would want to turn wrenches on one though.... I like the access that an RE provides.
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10-21-2017, 03:44 PM
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Skoolie
Join Date: Feb 2016
Location: Indianapolis, IN
Posts: 175
Year: 1999
Coachwork: AmTran
Chassis: International FE
Engine: DT466E
Rated Cap: 84 passengers
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When I started looking for a bus I really only wanted something with a DT466 in it. It's just a great engine. Very smooth running, pretty good fuel efficiency, easy to work on. For me, the biggest benefit is how long it has been made. Parts are literally everywhere for it. The only downfall to the 466E is how expensive new fuel injectors can cost for the HEUI system.
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10-21-2017, 09:48 PM
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Bus Nut
Join Date: Jul 2017
Location: Rapid City, SD
Posts: 993
Year: 2001
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Chassis: CS RE
Engine: ISC 8.3 L 260 hp
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The HPOP could be expensive to replace as well. I should look up pricing on 466 fuel system parts vs isc 8.3 as well as the pricing of in frame kits.
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10-22-2017, 06:03 AM
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Bus Geek
Join Date: Sep 2014
Location: Eustis FLORIDA
Posts: 23,764
Year: 1999
Coachwork: Thomas
Chassis: Freighliner FS65
Engine: Cat 3126
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Quote:
Originally Posted by TJones
The only 8.3 I have seen are in RE. I was set on getting a conventional but after some research i might be leaning toward a RE.
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I almost won a BBAA FE with a mechanical 8.3 in it.
The only configuration I haven't seen and would buy in a heartbeat would be a SHORTY with 8.3!
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10-22-2017, 10:40 AM
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Bus Geek
Join Date: May 2016
Location: Eastern WA
Posts: 6,401
Year: 2002
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Engine: Cummins ISC (8.3)
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Quote:
Originally Posted by EastCoastCB
I almost won a BBAA FE with a mechanical 8.3 in it.
The only configuration I haven't seen and would buy in a heartbeat would be a SHORTY with 8.3!
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I could get REALLY excited about a shorty with a 6 speed manual and an 8.3!!!
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10-22-2017, 01:05 PM
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Bus Geek
Join Date: Sep 2014
Location: Eustis FLORIDA
Posts: 23,764
Year: 1999
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Chassis: Freighliner FS65
Engine: Cat 3126
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Quote:
Originally Posted by PNW_Steve
I could get REALLY excited about a shorty with a 6 speed manual and an 8.3!!!
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There could be some out there, but I've not seen one.
Maybe someone should get a nice older bus and swap those in!
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10-22-2017, 01:50 PM
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Bus Geek
Join Date: May 2016
Location: Eastern WA
Posts: 6,401
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Hey CB,
If you happen to see a DT466 or 8.3 equipped shorty with a manual transmission, please tell at me.
I want one for a daily driver.
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10-22-2017, 01:52 PM
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Bus Geek
Join Date: Sep 2014
Location: Eustis FLORIDA
Posts: 23,764
Year: 1999
Coachwork: Thomas
Chassis: Freighliner FS65
Engine: Cat 3126
Rated Cap: 15
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Quote:
Originally Posted by PNW_Steve
Hey CB,
If you happen to see a DT466 or 8.3 equipped shorty with a manual transmission, please tell at me.
I want one for a daily driver.
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I'd have to find TWO, as I'd be first to snatch one up! 
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10-22-2017, 07:00 PM
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Bus Geek
Join Date: May 2009
Location: Columbus Ohio
Posts: 18,828
Year: 1991
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Chassis: International 3800
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Rated Cap: 7 Row Handicap
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im not sure id want an 8.3 as a daily.. the ones ive been on seem, to have slow spool-up times.. would suck jumping out in shopping-center traffic.. the DT-466 comes up quickly and bright.. perfect for traffic..
-Christopher
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10-23-2017, 11:18 AM
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Bus Geek
Join Date: May 2016
Location: Eastern WA
Posts: 6,401
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Engine: Cummins ISC (8.3)
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Quote:
Originally Posted by cadillackid
im not sure id want an 8.3 as a daily.. the ones ive been on seem, to have slow spool-up times.. would suck jumping out in shopping-center traffic.. the DT-466 comes up quickly and bright.. perfect for traffic..
-Christopher
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If it were just a bit quicker than my 40 footer I would be okay with that. DT466 works too.
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10-23-2017, 11:35 AM
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Bus Geek
Join Date: May 2009
Location: Columbus Ohio
Posts: 18,828
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Chassis: International 3800
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im not sure I could fit into the starbucks parking lots with a 40 footer...
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10-23-2017, 11:51 AM
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Bus Geek
Join Date: May 2016
Location: Eastern WA
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Engine: Cummins ISC (8.3)
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We were talking about 8.3 or DT466 shorties.
Not a problem anyway. I am not inclined to spend $3+ on a cup of coffee when I brew better coffee at home.
Seriously, I don't think that there is a wrong choice if you are picking between the DT and the 8.3.
I think that it is more of a personal preference. Ford vs Chevy kind of thing.
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10-25-2017, 09:52 PM
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Bus Nut
Join Date: Jul 2017
Location: Rapid City, SD
Posts: 993
Year: 2001
Coachwork: Blue Bird
Chassis: CS RE
Engine: ISC 8.3 L 260 hp
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Quote:
Originally Posted by PNW_Steve
Hey CB,
If you happen to see a DT466 or 8.3 equipped shorty with a manual transmission, please tell at me.
I want one for a daily driver.
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That would be a fun combo to drive. I've seen a manual shorty with a dt 360. A dt466 might be squeezed in with a little work.
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10-25-2017, 10:12 PM
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Bus Geek
Join Date: May 2016
Location: Eastern WA
Posts: 6,401
Year: 2002
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Chassis: All American RE (A3RE)
Engine: Cummins ISC (8.3)
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No replacement for displacement........
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02-27-2018, 09:52 PM
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Mini-Skoolie
Join Date: Feb 2018
Posts: 67
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Quote:
Originally Posted by PNW_Steve
No replacement for displacement........
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HAH! I glanced at some Gillig Muni buses on GovDeals site. 10L engines! 
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