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Old 10-15-2015, 07:55 PM   #31
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Bansil's engine is a 12 valve fully mechanical engine.

Yours in a 24 valve electronic engine.

So no, you and Bansil don't have the same engine.

Always fill fuel filters before installing.

Failure to fill the filter will lead to a ton of work and frustration.

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Old 10-16-2015, 07:45 AM   #32
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Bansil's engine is a 12 valve fully mechanical engine.

Yours in a 24 valve electronic engine.

So no, you and Bansil don't have the same engine.

Always fill fuel filters before installing.

Failure to fill the filter will lead to a ton of work and frustration.

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How do we know he has a newer 24valve?

Did I miss something?
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Old 10-16-2015, 01:44 PM   #33
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So nat your saying as long as I fill my filters with diesel when I turn the key forward one click it should prime itself and fire up (hopefully)
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Old 10-16-2015, 03:12 PM   #34
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Unless the filter is filled you would be pumping that volume of air through the system. Not good and a PITA to bleed. Even filling it you will get a little air but nothing like what a dry filter would yield.
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Old 10-16-2015, 09:04 PM   #35
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Nat I'm on e should I get gas and then change the filters or vice versa?
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Old 10-16-2015, 09:21 PM   #36
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Hey thanks again all of you I think my bus has the electronic engine you speak if because when I turn the key

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Bansil what year motor does LA tortuga have is it the same motor as mine? 97 5.9
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How do we know he has a newer 24valve?

Did I miss something?
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Nat I'm on e should I get gas and then change the filters or vice versa?
You could do the oil change a hour after shutting down and it ill still be plenty hot.

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Old 10-16-2015, 09:47 PM   #37
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If we may agree to disagree on the importance of pre-filling the fuel filter...

It's been a while, but I don't recall pre-filling for my 24-valve ISB engine. Just let the electric lift pump fill it; the air is pushed past the injection pump and returns to the fuel tank.

Can't pre-fill the filter on that Deutz engine I referred to earlier: knucklehead design has its fuel filter inverted above the oil filter (grumble, grumble!). Just changed this one last week; I was actually surprised at how quickly the engine ran again after the filter change with only one of its three injector tubes loosened to bleed the air.


Sunbear, it's not clear whether you have the 12-valve B or the 24-valve ISB engine. Do as nat_ster suggested earlier and look at the valve cover; if it is the 24-valve it'll say so in letters about 1.5 inches tall. Being model year 1997 I'm anticipating it'll be 12-valve.

In the 24-valve case you can pre-fill or not, and can let the electric pump finish the fill. If you can be near the engine and listen carefully when the key is turned on, the pump is quiet but audible. If it runs a while that's great. If it runs just a few seconds or less, try bumping the starter to test whether that makes it run longer. With pre-fill I'd probably look for 20 seconds of lift pump; without pre-fill maybe a minute of pumping before actually trying to start the engine.

In the 12-valve case there isn't an electric lift pump and I agree with the others that pre-filling the filter would make the manual priming easier.

Doesn't matter whether the fuel tank is nearly empty so long as there's enough fuel in there to spill some on the floor, re-fill the filter, and run the engine long enough to get to the fuel station before the tank runs dry!
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since there seems to be a cloud over what engine he has

do you have 6 valve covers like 12v


or 1 valve cover like 24v


because "thinking" it's electronic doesnt mean much

that is easiest way
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Roger the above. There is a big difference in the priming and "starting drill" between electric & mechanical lift pumps.
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since there seems to be a cloud over what engine he has

do you have 6 valve covers like 12v


or 1 valve cover like 24v


because "thinking" it's electronic doesnt mean much

that is easiest way

I think I would like to have one of those two engines in my Excursion instead of the 7.3.
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