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Old 03-22-2019, 10:20 PM   #21
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I'm no electro guru by any means. Dunce would be a better description.



But...you mentioned an outside GFCI circuit that keeps popping. Sounds like a solid short there somewhere that could a persistent drain (?)



Any of you "real" electricity guys have any thought on this?

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Old 03-22-2019, 10:28 PM   #22
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>> Does the SC have a shunt / remote that measures trailing endAmps at the bank?

I don't believe so.
OK checked it out. To have your SC automatically base its stop-charging (drop to Float transition) on direct measurement of trailing amps acceptance at the bank,

you need to add their "Whizbang Jr" BM.

This would not be cheap, and duplicates some of your BMV's functionality.


> I will start turning the inverter off overnight.

Ideal would be whenever it's not actually being used.

> I'm not sure how to check an AGM another way.

Never trust a charge source's judgement as to the bank being 100% Full.

Holding Absorb until that point does not just happen by default, the charge source's AHT settings must be adjusted until you verify it is doing so properly on a regular basis, by measuring the current taper with an ammeter at the bank's post.


> How often do you reset the BMV to tell it the bank is at 100% Full?

Um.. I haven't. I will try to figure that now.

Ideal is every cycle it happens. Minimum would be weekly IMO.

Study this https://marinehowto.com/programming-a-battery-monitor/

and all the electrickery posts at that site, by our own member Maine Sail.


> Not sure what a dmm is

multimeter, in this case voltmeter.

which is included with ammeters.

Also used to verify accuracy of those built into your BMV.

And to verify all your wiring and connections are sound, voltmeter for V drop, ohmmeter / checking resistance.
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Old 03-23-2019, 11:28 AM   #23
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OK checked it out. To have your SC automatically base its stop-charging (drop to Float transition) on direct measurement of trailing amps acceptance at the bank,

you need to add their "Whizbang Jr" BM.

This would not be cheap, and duplicates some of your BMV's functionality.

* Found one for $60 on Amazon. It's on the way. It should be able to attach to the shunt I already have.

> I will start turning the inverter off overnight.

Ideal would be whenever it's not actually being used.

*That will mostly be overnight as we are full-timing.

> I'm not sure how to check an AGM another way.

Never trust a charge source's judgement as to the bank being 100% Full.

Holding Absorb until that point does not just happen by default, the charge source's AHT settings must be adjusted until you verify it is doing so properly on a regular basis, by measuring the current taper with an ammeter at the bank's post.

* I will start checking this often

> How often do you reset the BMV to tell it the bank is at 100% Full?

Um.. I haven't. I will try to figure that now.

Ideal is every cycle it happens. Minimum would be weekly IMO.

* According to the bmv-702 manual, it should be auto synchronized when a set of parameters are met. There is also a manual synchronize option. I will read more into this and that when parameters are met if it synced.

Study this https://marinehowto.com/programming-a-battery-monitor/

and all the electrickery posts at that site, by our own member Maine Sail.

* I will read this tonight.

> Not sure what a dmm is

multimeter, in this case voltmeter.

which is included with ammeters.

Also used to verify accuracy of those built into your BMV.

And to verify all your wiring and connections are sound, voltmeter for V drop, ohmmeter / checking resistance.

* As it so happens, I have two of these. I will watch some videos on how to.use them to do the checks you have mentioned.

I also bumped up the voltage to 14.9 on the SC. It has an absorb timer setting as well. I will have to reread the manual and do some more research into the best settings.

On a side not, I have seen the SC go into Float mode every week. But, like has been stated, manual checks and measurements should be done to ensure correct charging.
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Old 03-23-2019, 11:30 AM   #24
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I'm no electro guru by any means. Dunce would be a better description.

* I'm pretty sure I'm whatever step is below that!


But...you mentioned an outside GFCI circuit that keeps popping. Sounds like a solid short there somewhere that could a persistent drain (?)

* Could be a new short? I'll have to test each outlet this week.

• I'm guessing that one of those plug in testers from HD would be sufficient?


Any of you "real" electricity guys have any thought on this?
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Following. I have a very similar setup to yours. I agree, a coffee maker is no sweat for that inverter and bank. I’ve run two mini splits off of mine!

10.5v sounds like dead batteries. Maybe you just overlooked something that was using power...

It might be useful to disconnect and do a slow controlled discharge and slow trickle charge for each battery individually. I know your charging system is supposed to be a good one, but I have found taking the batts out of the bank for a couple of controlled drain/trickle cycles can improve the performance quite a bit.

Double check the accuracy of your voltage readout with a known good meter as well. My similar aims charger/inverter is a few tenths off of what my stand alone meter tells me.
I possibly left something running overnight that I don't normally run.

I'll need to find an appropriate agm charger I think. My trickle charger says not to use on AGM...
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Old 03-23-2019, 03:16 PM   #26
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>> "Whizbang Jr" BM.

* Found one for $60 on Amazon. It's on the way. It should be able to attach to the shunt I already have.
Wow! I think they used to be pricier? Or maybe I've just gotten used to a higher range being worth while

> I will start checking this often

Once you've got things calibrated for a given pattern of usage and conditions, just occasional checking is enough.

>> Ideal is every cycle it happens. Minimum would be weekly IMO.

> According to the bmv-702 manual, it should be auto synchronized when a set of parameters are met. There is also a manual synchronize option. I will read more into this and that when parameters are met if it synced.

Be careful about trusting the automatic option.

I believe MS is pretty strong about doing it manually. https://marinehowto.com/programming-a-battery-monitor/
At least verify anyway.

> I have seen the SC go into Float mode every week.

Usually if left at defaults that happens way too early.
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Note all these points are incremental improvements, ongoing "tweaking ideals" to get better longevity.

The symptoms you describe are a pretty major catastrophe, not caused by these issues,

unless poor care + poor quality to start with means the bank already needs replacing?

Bad SoC feedback resulting in your usage actually requiring a much bigger bank?

I suspect connections most.
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I plan on going through the connections tomorrow. I have a feeling that was the issue because now that it's warm, everything is going along normally. I picked up some terminal cleaner and terminal protector. I'll go over with a fine tooth comb tomorrow and clean, protect, and tighten.

Thank you for your help
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Its been a bit, but my batteries had issues. They have all been replaced since.
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Thanks for reporting back, so many never do
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Thanks for reporting back, so many never do
Your welcome. Your input on many of my issues has been invaluable. Thank you!
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