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Old 08-08-2019, 08:08 PM   #1
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Brake lights, turning signals, door not working

I'm sure many have opened up with this line but all my electrical items where working fine until they weren't. My headlights work, my running lights turn on. My tail lights, turning signals/hazard lights, and my electric door motor stopped working all at once.

I'm taken a peak inside a the fuse panel and have checked every relay and fuse. They all seem to be receiving power. Whether or not any fuses or relays are bad I am unsure. I had a friend press on the brakes to check to see if the lights are getting power and I didn't get any readings.

I'm not sure which fuses go to my lights and door and which relay as well. The door I'm not really worried about. It closes when I press the button but doesn't open. I just added this to my thread thinking maybe somehow it's all related.

Not sure if it's related at all but the main solenoid gets super hot. Then the relays I circled also are extremely hot. Not sure what's going on there.

Also, the silver fuses I've never seen before. I'm not sure how to test them and am wondering if I can replace them with regular plastic fuses.

Any help would be appreciated!
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Old 08-09-2019, 05:12 AM   #2
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I believe those silver fuses aren't actually fuses, they're circuit breakers. They are designed to trip the circuit open in the event of a short, but not destroy themselves in the process. Any one of them could be tripped open, whether for a good reason, or not.

Anything electrical getting extremely hot is no bueno. Some warmth is normal, but not like you're describing. Sounds like you may have a wiring or ground problem. Is the problem isolated to the rear, or does it affect your front flashers as well?
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Old 08-09-2019, 05:16 AM   #3
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I believe those silver fuses aren't actually fuses, they're circuit breakers. They are designed to trip the circuit open in the event of a short, but not destroy themselves in the process. Any one of them could be tripped open, whether for a good reason, or not.

Sounds like you may have a wiring or ground problem. Is the problem isolated to the rear, or does it affect your front flashers as well?
Oh interesting. I wonder if there is a way to reset them...

The problem is all around. Front rear and the small ones ones on the side.
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Its probably a bad body solenoid you have circled. I have a new one in the box if you need one. They're "White Rodgers".
I've had them go out on a couple buses.
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Old 08-09-2019, 05:29 AM   #5
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Its probably a bad body solenoid you have circled. I have a new one in the box if you need one. They're "White Rodgers".
I've had them go out on a couple buses.
Bad BODY solenoid? *smh* What are they going to think of next? The people that come up with this BS should have to live with their brain-childs for a few years, especially when they have these kinds of problems...
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Bad BODY solenoid? *smh* What are they going to think of next? The people that come up with this BS should have to live with their brain-childs for a few years, especially when they have these kinds of problems...
yeah there's usually one for starting and one for the accessories.
easy enough to check and replace. Everyone should have an extra, IMO!
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yeah there's usually one for starting and one for the accessories.
easy enough to check and replace. Everyone should have an extra, IMO!
How do I check it? Can you text me how much you want for one. I want to replace it regardless.
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How do I check it? Can you text me how much you want for one. I want to replace it regardless.
If the solenoid is working it will click fairly loudly when you power it up. But note there are usually 2 of them so make sure you check for both if so.
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To the Op,


You seem to have a number of hot spots as shown by the browning on the connection points. Not sure why or what systems they might relate to from this vantage point.


There are a lot of frayed connection points also, poor installation from stripping wires for connection. This allows corrosion to set up which will heat connections up.


There is a nut missing on one connection in the first pic. What's up with that?


I think it is time to disconnect the batteries and go over your entire electrical panel as for cleaning and tightening and making new connections where necessary.


That larger solenoid may or not be ok but it is feeding a breaker to the right of it and that is badly corroded and feeding upwards to the HSR not sure what that is, but needs attention.


There is probably stuff I missed but generally this maintenance should be done now if you plan on travelling soon.


You showed a silver breaker in one of the pics. Take a look beside it at the wire that feeds that breaker. Bad connection there for sure and might be one source of your troubles.


If you do take these things apart I suggest making pics and notes of what went where.


Good luck


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You seem to have a number of hot spots as shown by the browning on the connection points.

There are a lot of frayed connection points also, poor installation from stripping wires for connection. This allows corrosion to set up which will heat connections up.

I think it is time to disconnect the batteries and go over your entire electrical panel as for cleaning and tightening and making new connections
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