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Old 04-08-2010, 05:08 PM   #21
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Re: Question: Simple solution to having electricity??

I'm no electrical brain at all but this is how the Crown is wired: I put in 3 circuits for the shore power: one for the Air Conditioner, one for the port side of the bus which has 5 plug outlets and the same setup for the starborad side. All of my interior lighting is 12 volt wich is powered by a battery bank and recharged by two 50 watt solar panels on the roof.

There is a generator on board if needed with a high amp cord that plugs into the main shore power plug. If I plug in the shore power, I have to unplug the generator. It's very simple, but no way I can get them connected at the same time.

As I said, I'm weak in electrical, but had it inspected before I plugge in...didn't want to kill anyone.
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Re: Question: Simple solution to having electricity??

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Ever ask what new RV's are wired with on the 110v wiring? I just did.........


Can you say romex

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That's what I said earlier. New RVs are almost all made with solid core wire (Romex). Not all of us believe that the RV manufacturers are doing things the best way that they can, but when it comes to 110V electrical, they still have a 'minimum code' that they must adhere to for safety. Besides, like I said earlier, almost all 110V components are designed to be used with solid core wire....light switches, breakers, outlets, etc. Stranded wire does not make the same solid connection as solid wire on these items.
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Re: Question: Simple solution to having electricity??

From the inside front cover of my ANSI A119.2/NFPA 1192 Standard on Recreational Vehicles 1999 Edition.

"IMPORTANT NOTICE ABOUT THIS DOCUMENT"
The RVIA and the NFPA codes, standards, recommended practices, and guides, of which this document contained herein is one, are developed through a consensus standards development process approved by the American National Standards Institute. This process brings together volunteers representing varied viewpoints and interests to achieve consensus on fire and other safety issues. While the RVIA and the NFPA administer the process and establish rules to promote fairness in the development of consensus, they do not independently test, evaluate, or verify the accuracy of any information or the soundness of any judgments contained in their codes and standards.

The RVIA and the NFPA disclaim liability for any personal injury, property or other damages of any nature whatsoever, whether special, indirect, consequential or compensatory, directly or indirectly resulting from the publication, use of, or reliance on this document. The RVIA and the NFPA also make no guaranty or warranty as to the accuracy or completeness of any information published herein.

In issuing and making this document available, the RVIA and the NFPA are not undertaking to render professional or other services for or on behalf of any person or entity. Nor are the RVIA and the NFPA undertaking to perform any duty owed by any person or entity to someone else. anyone using this document should rely on his or her own independent judgment or, as appropriate, seek advice of a competent professional in determining the exercise of reasonable care in any given circumstances.

The RVIA and the NFPA have no power, nor do they undertake, to police or enforce compliance with the contents of this document. Nor do the RVIA and the NFPA list, certify, test or inspect products, designs, or installations for compliance with this document. Any certification or other statement of compliance with the requirements of this document shall not be attributable to the RVIA and the NFPA and is solely the responsibility of the certifier or maker of the statement.


NFPA is the National Fire Protection Association
RVIA is the Recreation Vehicle Industry Association

So based on the disclaimer... the RV manufacturers come up with the rules. They don't make sure the rules actually work. They aren't held accountable for the rules they come up with. And they don't have to follow the rules.

Btw, elsewhere in the book (the front page under "Notice") it says "The ANSI A119 Accredited Standards Committee was created to establish minimum requirements for the installation of plumbing, fuel burning, electrical, and other safety related systems in recreational vehicles." So remember... these are the bare minimums.
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Old 04-09-2010, 01:23 PM   #24
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...Stranded wire does not make the same solid connection as solid wire on these items...
Which is why the tips where connections are made should be tinned with solder. And yes, our 1977 Class C (made by Midas/Frolic Mfg, no longer doing business) does have some very old romex in it for all the 110VAC. It basically boils down to your personal choice. I know of some very pricey coaches that were wired (by the owners) with romex for all the AC circuits. I also know of many others that used stranded wire only for all the systems. The commonly quoted reason for using stranded wire exclusively has been the "fatigue factor". Solid romex has "failed" at connections. Which begs the question would the connection have failed if the connection was a good one or perhaps the connection failed due to damaged wire or connecting device. Using romex is accepted practice in the RVing world for AC only circuits.
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Re: Question: Simple solution to having electricity??

Near as I can tell, the companies choose solid vs stranded primarily as a cost question.

If a company is trying to keep costs down, chances are they expect the rig to fall apart before the solid wire does. And for that 1 in 15,000 where the wire fails and causes serious problems... generally there isn't enough left to say what caused it.

The higher end manufacturers that expect their rigs to be in service for 20+ years tend to use stranded wire.

I plan to use stranded wire. My 1988 RV had solid wire, and it showed serious signs of wire strain in many places when I pulled out the old wiring.

The cost of stranded vs solid isn't that much more when compared to the total cost of the conversion. Since I want mine to last 20+ years, I'll invest in stranded wire.

just my preferences.
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... christmas tree tinsel ...

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But it has to be the old tinsel and its hard getting the wrinkles out of it!
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Re: Question: Simple solution to having electricity??

Well, we're Skoolies and we don't need no NEC right? The only code stranded wire for AC circuits that I know of is THHN. These are seperate wires and need to be run in condiut. A lot of what is discussed here about running extension cord wire, and how you connect it (ie tinned [soldered]ends) will result in hot connections, with the increased probability of a fire in your bus. Unless you really know what you are doing it would be best to do as Smitty and use the Romex. I can back this up if you want.
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Re: Question: Simple solution to having electricity??

Ouch! This has turned into quite the debate! The point of my post was simply to say that there IS a reason for choosing stranded over solid. Are we ever going to realize the difference? Not likely. I found the stranded to be the obvious choice because it was easier to work with, "theoretically better," and, ultimately, was the CHEAPER solution. Obviously we aren't trying to build deathtraps, but we aren't building lunar landers either. Use what you're comfortable with as I'm sure either choice will prove to have the same results in the end.
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Not to through more fuel on the fire, but lets not forget what happens when we start mixing different types of metal in our connections. For example aluminum vs copper wire. Has lead to many house fires in the past!
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If I used fine stranded wire for AC I would crimp it into an unisulated butt-splice crimp connector and then put the other end of the butt-splice under the screw.
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