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Old 02-29-2016, 05:09 PM   #11
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Yeah, I've never seen a duel fuel tankless water heater. I bathed out of a steel pot in a tent for so many years that a nice bucket of hot water in a warm bus seems pretty easy. In those days we got one steel pot of warm water. First we'd brush our teeth in it, then bath in it, then wash socks and underwear in it and finally shave all in the same water.
Then if you were tough you'd drink it. Not really.
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Old 02-29-2016, 07:03 PM   #12
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I have a fridge/freezer that runs on 12 or 24 volt dc, and the compressor consumes about 80 watts when it's running. In order to keep the beer cold and ice frozen, it runs around about 30 percent duty cycle @ 70 degrees F.

This is easily powered by a solar panel, a car battery, and a charge controller. Oh, and it operates at up to 30 degree angles.

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Propane has been used safely in RV's for many decades. That said...there have also been plenty of fires. Like many other systems, safety really comes down to how well designed, installed and maintained it is. I was told by my insurance agent years ago that electrical fires are actually a much more common cause for RV loses.

Personally, I would not include refrigeration in my propane plans though. Those units require near perfect level or they can have the coils go solid and never recover. I have been investigating the new generation of 12 volt fridge/freezers that employ a new type of high efficiency compressor and I'm pretty much sold based on what I have seen & heard in terms of performance. One such brand is Whynter. They are the only one I have found so far that make a combination fridge/freezer in a single unit. Not the cheapest option out there but based on my needs, I think it is my best option. (Note...they are all chest type...no uprights)
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Old 02-29-2016, 08:28 PM   #13
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That's really good to know, dred. We have been talking about maybe trying to snag a smallish used fridge/chest freezer (with temp controller) and using an inverter to essentially make it two-way, 12/120. Does that sound realistic?
I think everything sounds realistic except the "used" part. I started out with a used drm fridge and trade for the new one when I discovered it was useless without shore power or generator. The new one is WAYYY more efficient. I like goat's idea, as I spill all my cold air out EVERYTIME I grab a beer, but I could not do the top-open thing. Find something efficient and I bet you will achieve the results.
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Old 02-29-2016, 10:41 PM   #14
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i got the vissani 9.9 C F from H D for 299 bucks. .7 amp running and 1.6 surge. nice unit.i unplug it about 6 pm and plug it in before i leave for work in the morning.
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Old 03-01-2016, 01:45 AM   #15
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Old 03-01-2016, 07:10 AM   #16
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you could almost fit a gallon of milk in there
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Old 03-01-2016, 11:20 AM   #17
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Anyone here is experimenting with ice boxes as alternatives for powered fridges?
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Old 03-01-2016, 11:34 AM   #18
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Unless you super-insulate one and use dry ice, they are only good for a couple of days at best with "ordinary" ice. Even then you might only stretch it to four days or so and either way you'd need to stay near an ice supplier.

Her is some of the newest and most efficient tech available these days...

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We converted a small chest freezer (33"L x 22"w x 24"H, $30 on craigslist) into a fridge with a cheap $20 thermostat controller from Amazon. It pulls 230 watts but the compressor might run only a couple hours total each day if we leave it turned on. Otherwise we'll set it to freeze and run it for half and hour then turn it off for the day. If the weather is under 50 degrees we do that, if it's hot we'll turn it on for a short time a few times a day. If you do have solar you'll have no problem at all.

Do you have a link to that controller? The last one I saw was about $70.
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Well as far as the ice box idea goes... when we don't wish to use power for our chest freezer/fridge conversion, we put a five gallon bucket in it with a 10 lb bag of ice inside. The ice doesn't even begin to melt for a couple days and keeps the fridge cold for at least four days. And this thing is very poorly insulated.
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