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Old 11-09-2016, 11:54 AM   #1
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Propane Heating Options

Hello All!

We have a wood stove as our primary heat source but want to install a thermostat controlled propane heater as a secondary heat source to prevent freezing in the even that we aren't home and the wood stove goes out. I would prefer a vented heater that uses fresh air from outside, and does not burn oxygen from living space, but it seems like ventless heaters also have their benefits. Some options I have looked at are:

-Dickinson Stove: Looks nice, good compact size, but lack of thermostat is an issue. I dont want to have to turn it on/off all the time. I want the heater to automatically come on as soon as the the wood stove no longer keeps the bus warm.

-Direct Vent Furnace (Williams, Rinnai, etc): A bit larger and not sure I have a good spot for it, but appear to have good thermostat controls, sealed combustion chamber, vented, etc. Use little or no electricity.

-Conventional RV Furnace: From what I have read they are loud and power hungry. But I like that I can hide inside a cabinet.

-Ventless Blue Flame/Catalytic/Ceramic: More economical, but seems more dangerous. Though many come with built in oxygen sensors.

I would be very curious to here everyone's thoughts and experience with different heat sources.

Thanks!
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Old 11-09-2016, 01:19 PM   #2
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The Cats are the most efficient in terms of BTU's per volume of propane.
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Old 11-09-2016, 01:55 PM   #3
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Any propane heat that is not vented will add SIGNIFICANT moisture to the air in your bus.

I have a like new Olympic cat heater around here somewhere. I used it for about 3 days and retired it. I had water puddling in the window sills.

The conventional RV furnaces are not the ideal choice for efficiency but do not add the moisture.

I have heard some good things about this one in tiny home applications:

https://www.lowes.com/pd/Ashley-Hear...d-51fbcafd824d
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Old 11-09-2016, 02:45 PM   #4
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Any propane heat that is not vented will add SIGNIFICANT moisture to the air in your bus.

I have a like new Olympic cat heater around here somewhere. I used it for about 3 days and retired it. I had water puddling in the window sills.

The conventional RV furnaces are not the ideal choice for efficiency but do not add the moisture.

I have heard some good things about this one in tiny home applications:

https://www.lowes.com/pd/Ashley-Hear...d-51fbcafd824d

Looks like when you want heat you have to push the igniter button everytime.

read this before going vent-less/vent free in any thing:
http://www.abe.iastate.edu/extension...ances-aen-204/
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Old 11-09-2016, 03:43 PM   #5
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Have you looked at the Webasto heaters? Most are diesel fired if your not opposed to that. I believe the Webastos will run around 800-1000 or so if you shop around.
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Old 11-09-2016, 03:45 PM   #6
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Roger the condensation issues. I am still going back & forth on heat for boondocking but will definitely have a small ceramic electric unit for when there is a plug handy.
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Old 11-09-2016, 08:01 PM   #7
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Have you looked at the Webasto heaters? Most are diesel fired if your not opposed to that. I believe the Webastos will run around 800-1000 or so if you shop around.
The Webaso's are the BOMB!

I have seen them plumbed into the bus cooling system. In cold weather you use the Webasto for heat when you are parked and to preheat the engine. When you are driving you shut down the Webasto and heat the interior with the engine coolant.

Also, propane contains about 91,000 btu's / gallon. Diesel is closer to 140,000 btu's / gallon. Around here propane sells for about $3.00 a gallon and diesel for about $2.60. (1 Therm-10,000 Btu)

That works out to about $0.33 per Therm for propane and about $0.19 per Therm for diesel.

If I can manage a Webasto on my next bus I am going to put hydronic heating in the bathroom floor
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Old 11-09-2016, 08:25 PM   #8
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those cozy force 10 units can be diesel or propane. It takes a few nights and you get use to setting it about where it will work. I have had the propane for years and couldn't go with out it. Bought two for the bus one for the shop and one for the living quarters. Its all in that 1" exhaust pipe. you just cant beat no moisture in the cabin plus it has a cup holder on the top so you can add some humidity if you want. I love cooking on it myself and heating coffee and soup.
Down side is they just cost a lot but there isn't a small vented unit i have found that can be mounted right on a wall with out having to cut it in besides the exhaust vent that is 1" OD. Plus no power required My new boat has a forced air system and it can suck some juice running the fans. I think that's just not needed in such small areas like a BUS.
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Old 11-09-2016, 09:07 PM   #9
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Use a 14K btu Planar in our under 30ft bus and it performs very well.

Set to 22c and 17c at bedtime. About 1 gal diesel in 24 hrs.
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Also, propane contains about 91,000 btu's / gallon. Diesel is closer to 140,000 btu's / gallon. Around here propane sells for about $3.00 a gallon and diesel for about $2.60. (1 Therm-10,000 Btu)

That works out to about $0.33 per Therm for propane and about $0.19 for diesel. oor
Thanks for this info
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