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Old 12-07-2018, 11:06 AM   #1
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The Diesel heater thread

Hi,


In Tango's fantastic build thread (http://www.skoolie.net/forums/f27/46...tml#post300399) he asked if somebody had experience with the Chinese diesel heaters.


Several follow up questions came up, so I thought we better not sidetrack the build thread and continue here.


I have one on order and watches many Youtube videos before ordering one:
- They are much cheaper then the Eberspacher / PLanar equivalent
- They are exceedingly simple (Fuel pump, fan, glow plug, burning chamber)
- The issues they have are similar to the more expensive ones


There is a very active Facebook group where people post their experiences.


Overall the feedback is positive, with some people having very significant soot build up issues.


Since these heater can be tweaked, the question is always: did people tweak and not say so. The fuel feed rate and fan speed can both be adjusted to get a clean burn.


It's highly recommended (for all these heaters) to run them full power regularly to build of any soot


You can run kerosene at some interval as well. It burns not as hot, but will help in remove build up (easier combustion?). Kerosene also recommend if you use at higher elevations (but adjusting the fuel feed rate should do the same)


I would love to come up with a relatively inexpensive way to tweak the burn settings. Maybe with a CO2 sensor and try to find peak CO2. Or maybe there is sensors that would be able to measure the level of unburned hydrocarbons.


Once I get mine, I will post some experiences here


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Old 12-07-2018, 11:54 AM   #2
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I'm looking for information too. Just starting my build. I saw someone mention a password. Are these thing computer controller? Can we redesign the controller, using say a beetle bone or other SBC, to not only control the fuel flow based on CO2 but also add a thermostat or timer or RTC so it turn on about 1/2 before i wake up or from my android before I get home.
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Old 12-07-2018, 02:05 PM   #3
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@alpinekid I mentioned the password. I didn't want to post a copy here. I suggest you join the Facebook group. If you can't, send me a direct msg and I'll find the pwd's. They are likely to change regularly, and then the info here would be out of date. Best to go to the source.


The slightly fancier remote version has a timer functions etc build in. There is a guy on the Facebook group that is working on reverse engineering the encoding. I don't think it was particularly straight forward.


A lot of people have added a phone controller remote trigger. I haven't looked at that because it was of not interest to me. But I have seen people post ebay links to devices that would do that.



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Old 01-01-2019, 03:05 PM   #4
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I have one of these heaters I bought a while ago, still in the box. I was convinced at that moment it was the way to go, mainly after watching a bunch of European RV videos (they are far more common there) and talking to my friend who is a long haul trucker.

Somewhere along the line, I got talked out of it by people who never used one (forums are great for that). But also, the person who I was talking to about installing it pooh-poohed it, convincing me to try something else. I have since figured out that he really just doesn't know how to install it and isn't super interested in learning.

I was planning to sell the diesel heater, but after checking into his "something else" I've come back around, and I think I want to use it.

Have any of the people expressing interest in these pulled the trigger yet? If so, how is it working out?
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Old 01-01-2019, 05:51 PM   #5
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diesel heaters, webasto

I bought "webasto" been doing gasoline and diesel heaters for at least 70 years that I know of, not made of chinesium.

Mine heats engine coolant for heat. It is more expensive. I am paying some for just the name and reputation. I have seen these things in pieces and they appear to be well constructed. Talked to more than one person using these on boats, info on web site is supported by people using them that I have written to and spoken to.

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Old 01-01-2019, 11:57 PM   #6
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I bought "webasto" been doing gasoline and diesel heaters for at least 70 years that I know of, not made of chinesium.

Mine heats engine coolant for heat. It is more expensive. ...

william

That gives me an idea; how much work would it be, and would it be effective, to plumb that into the engine coolant system and allow it to warm the engine while it warms me and the bathroom in the morning. I'm thinking cold weather camping and hard starting diesels.
Would it be effective in replacing the block heater in an off-grid environment?
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Old 01-02-2019, 05:30 AM   #7
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This is meant to be plumbed into engine coolant system, and the bus heaters.

On boats, the engine, cabin heaters, and potable water are all heated by the diesel fired engine coolant heater.

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This is meant to be plumbed into engine coolant system, and the bus heaters.

On boats, the engine, cabin heaters, and potable water are all heated by the diesel fired engine coolant heater.

william
Just to be clear, the heater I have and am seeking info about is a diesel AIR heater. I didn't actually knowabout the one Wiliam is using and now I'm thinking that seems pretty great, though I'm sure it's more expensive.
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Old 01-02-2019, 12:55 PM   #9
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I have one of these heaters I bought a while ago, still in the box. I was convinced at that moment it was the way to go, mainly after watching a bunch of European RV videos (they are far more common there) and talking to my friend who is a long haul trucker.

Somewhere along the line, I got talked out of it by people who never used one (forums are great for that). But also, the person who I was talking to about installing it pooh-poohed it, convincing me to try something else. I have since figured out that he really just doesn't know how to install it and isn't super interested in learning.

I was planning to sell the diesel heater, but after checking into his "something else" I've come back around, and I think I want to use it.

Have any of the people expressing interest in these pulled the trigger yet? If so, how is it working out?

Mine is on it's way. I did a lot of reading and are very confident that it will do what it needs to do. The basic construction is extremely straight forward. I'll report on my results as soon as it comes in


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Old 01-02-2019, 03:44 PM   #10
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We have a 20k btu propane furnace plus a 14k btu Planar diesel air heater in our bus. Like them both...Why 2? My Mary is post cancer and really doesn't like being cold, being the toughest person I know gets her special treatment from me and a redundant heat source.
*Planar pros:
Easy to fuel. Run out? Just dump some in. My tank holds 5g.
Low fuel use=1g per 24 hrs. +-.
Nice dry heat with low noise level.
*Planar cons:
Yearly maintenance.
A bit more finicky than the LPG one.
*LPG pros:
Programable thermostat.
A bit more btus.
Nice dry heat.
Low fuel use= 1 20lb tank lasts 7 days +-.
*LPG cons:
Blower's a bit noisy.
Need to take tank to refill.

The low operating cost goes to the 20k BTU Suburban furnace. here propane is $1.70 and diesel is $3 per gallon.

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