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Old 07-16-2015, 06:39 PM   #11
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Do a forum search for member "Charley". Hes another Dutchie.
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Old 07-16-2015, 07:08 PM   #12
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Ooh nice! I will try and get in contact with him! Thanks!

Meanwhile i surfed the net for a lillte bit.
I feel most attracted to the early 90's GMC's.
Only thing is, the one i've seen comes with a Cat 3116 engine which i read a lot of bad stuff about.
Maybe a 454ci. would be just right for me.
They're also not as common as the ~2000 Internationals but i'll keep looking.

Thanks for your reply Sdwarf.
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Old 07-16-2015, 07:17 PM   #13
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He is from Belgium, our southern neighbors.
Still a long way from Amsterdam for European concepts.
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Old 07-16-2015, 07:27 PM   #14
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Ooh nice! I will try and get in contact with him! Thanks!

Meanwhile i surfed the net for a lillte bit.
I feel most attracted to the early 90's GMC's.
Only thing is, the one i've seen comes with a Cat 3116 engine which i read a lot of bad stuff about.
Maybe a 454ci. would be just right for me.
They're also not as common as the ~2000 Internationals but i'll keep looking.

Thanks for your reply Sdwarf.
Doesn't gas cost something like 50 EUROS per liter over there? I would stay away from a gas bus.
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Old 07-16-2015, 07:30 PM   #15
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About the engine I don't know yet.
Gas prices are like 4 to 5 times what they are in the U.S. so thats something to keep in mind.
Gassers will only get you 4-5 mpg at best (roughly 47 L/100km). Diesels get an average 10mpg (roughly 24 L/100km).

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Are there differences between busses that make long trips or short trips and busses that travel flat terrain or mountain areas?
Can you recognize them, or can you just tell by the size of the engine?
When traveling to the south of Europe there will be mountains to climb so a bus that was built for traveling flat areas won't be ideal.
But overkill will be expensive in the longrun.
AFAIK there's no way to just look at a bus and tell it's geared for highway or surface streets; the build sheet will provide that information. But my bus handled 65mph with nary problem over 500 miles coming home, and it spent a good portion of it's life hauling kids in Connecticut.

But if you're looking to travel the Alps and Pyrenees, your best bet is to look west of the Mississippi for a good used bus- Colorado, Utah, Wyoming, possibly Washington and Oregon as well.

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Any idea about the approximate weight of a full size dognoze bus?
Gross registered vehicle weights (full up with a 75+ kids, full fuel and fluids) are usually around 33,000lbs (roughly 15,000kg)

And that 454ci you're looking at, is a gasser (see above for gas mileage differences)
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Old 07-16-2015, 07:34 PM   #16
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Whaha lol, its bad but not that bad.
Last time i fueled my car with premium fuel it was €1.83 per liter, that will ben $9.24 per Gallon.
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Old 07-16-2015, 07:48 PM   #17
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Thanks scooternj! I'll keep that in mind.

Sorry, gas was a mis translation from my side, thought any kind of fuel was called 'gas' in the U.S.
I definitely look for a diesel engine.


Good info! Now i can narrow my search more specific.
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Old 07-16-2015, 08:00 PM   #18
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Welcome to the board Bryce!

I did a little bit of family history research and found my paternal ancestors were from the Netherlands...."Beukema" was the surname

Anyway, was just imagining... what's it cost to ship a danged bus?!?!
I'm thinking along the lines of a $2500.00 USD for bus purchase and $6000 to $8000 USD to ship it.
Perhaps I'm way off, I dunno.

What do they use over there to transport students? Heck, if you picked a bus in Netherlands, for $8000 USD, it seems like you'd be ahead of the game.

and $9.24 for a gallon of gasoline over here better come with a jar of vasoline!
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Old 07-16-2015, 08:38 PM   #19
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Beukema sounds really Dutch indeed.

I haven't been to the part of figuring out what the shippingcost will be.
I believe a regular car shipped roll on roll of was about €1000,- and a 40ft container was about the same so i'm not that worried about the shipping costs.
In the Netherlands we don't have such characteristic busses, all you can find is touringcars or regular looking city busses.
It might be spacious but not what i'm looking for.
I really appreciate the looks of the U.S. schoolbus and to have one in Europe is very unique.
And to be honest, I don't really care spending a couple of thousand more or les.
I work hard and have no problem working a few months more to be able to pursue this dream.

Houses are very expencive here, almost no one can afford a house without help from the bank. (For example, I own a 80m2 apartment built in the 60's and it cost €146.000,-)
The interest you have to pay the bank for 'helping' you is like a chain around people's neck.
Not everyone sees it that way but i feel like a slave of society who is doomed to work till i'm 67...
I'm a contractor and doing good right now, if I pay off my depts I can put my house for rent and allong with some other investments I made I can have a decent month loan where I can live of and be free to live instead of working and worrying about bills, income, work and other **** I don't want to worry about.

Well the Netherlands is verry small,I can drive from the west coast to the eastcoast in 2 hours, from north to south it will be around 3.
Kids who go to elementary school can usually walk to school or go by bicycle, if not their parents bring them to school.
Students who study in another town then their hometown usually rent a small one room apartment near their school or travel by public transportation like the train or metro.
But in city's like Amsterdam the bicycle is by far the most common transportation method.

Every time i have friends from outside the Netherlands over they are amazed by how many bicycles there are in the city.
You might just Google 'Amsterdam bicycles' and you will understand.

Kind regards Bryce.
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Old 07-16-2015, 08:48 PM   #20
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Mortgage was the word i was looking for...

And month loan should be monthly income.

(Income is 'loon' in Dutch, very confusing lol.)
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