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Old 05-09-2016, 02:35 PM   #1
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Well, I did it. I finally joined the forum, having just picked up my first bus. Specs: '87 International 9 Liter IH engine, 131,xxx miles Allison AT545 (I think) Hydraulic brakes, Dayton wheels (22.5's up front, 20's in the back) Former church bus, originally a school bus. Purple/green/white paint. 5.38 gearing Carpenter body, 22 seats still in place (and about 75" headroom, as I am 6' and had 2-3 inches headroom) Front & Rear aftermarket A/C, presumably added by the church, both use R134 refrigerant and both blow cool. Tires are ... OK. Lights mostly work, some of the marker/clearance lights are out, one tail light out, dash lights and high-beam indicator are out. Left turn signal and 4-way flashers are out, but right turn signal works. Flashing lights still in place and said to work (did not check myself, yet). The church seemed to really keep up the maintenance on it - at least the mechanical stuff. Belts, hoses, coolant, oil and fluids all looked good. Drove it around the lot, transmission seems to shift fine and engine pulls strong. No smoke observed, I did smell a little "burnt diesel" the first minute or so, but this may be due to it sitting and the fuel not exactly being fresh. Spoke with the fellow who drove it to GA from SC, he says it drove out fine and had no problems, though only had a top speed like 55 on the road. Parking brake seemed a little weak, but we think adjustment may help it out. At some point I may re-gear the axle, but for now the original gears will get me around. Not sure if the speedo can be reprogrammed, or if it's a mechanical gauge. Also soon to come is removing the lettering and giving it a bath!
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Old 05-09-2016, 03:30 PM   #2
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Well, I did it. I finally joined the forum, having just picked up my first bus. Specs: '87 International 9 Liter IH engine, 131,xxx miles Allison AT545 (I think) Hydraulic brakes, Dayton wheels (22.5's up front, 20's in the back) Former church bus, originally a school bus. Purple/green/white paint. 5.38 gearing Carpenter body, 22 seats still in place (and about 75" headroom, as I am 6' and had 2-3 inches headroom) Front & Rear aftermarket A/C, presumably added by the church, both use R134 refrigerant and both blow cool. Tires are ... OK. Lights mostly work, some of the marker/clearance lights are out, one tail light out, dash lights and high-beam indicator are out. Left turn signal and 4-way flashers are out, but right turn signal works. Flashing lights still in place and said to work (did not check myself, yet). The church seemed to really keep up the maintenance on it - at least the mechanical stuff. Belts, hoses, coolant, oil and fluids all looked good. Drove it around the lot, transmission seems to shift fine and engine pulls strong. No smoke observed, I did smell a little "burnt diesel" the first minute or so, but this may be due to it sitting and the fuel not exactly being fresh. Spoke with the fellow who drove it to GA from SC, he says it drove out fine and had no problems, though only had a top speed like 55 on the road. Parking brake seemed a little weak, but we think adjustment may help it out. At some point I may re-gear the axle, but for now the original gears will get me around. Not sure if the speedo can be reprogrammed, or if it's a mechanical gauge. Also soon to come is removing the lettering and giving it a bath!
If it wasn't for the engine, I'd say you have my doppleganger!
Well....yours is a carpenter, mine is a ward...so there's that, too!
I think top speed of 55mph is pretty normal for the at545, mine does the exact same, downhill, tailwind, and another bus pushing!

Also thinking about chaning gears in the rear diff. in the near future, but first i want to see if driving it like this is really that bad.

After all, increased speed does increase wear and tear on everything else...BUT...long trips can become reeeeeally long!

Pics, please!
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Old 05-09-2016, 04:19 PM   #3
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Post some pics!

Haven't seen any 9L's on here ever. You're the first as far as I know.
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Old 05-10-2016, 12:23 AM   #4
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Having done my homework beforehand, I found these 9L engines were used by IH from the late 70's until the late 80's (it was actually a dieselized version of the 549 gas engine from the late 60's), and was intended as a direct competitor against the 3208 Cat motor. It was during a time when bus builders were trying to wean school districts from gas engines, but did not want to spend a lot of extra money on engines like the DT466, a "poor man's diesel", if you will. Not sure how many buses had these engines, but they were popular in municipal trucks at the time too. Early versions had very high head gasket failure rates, later redesigned head gaskets remedied the problems. I had the local IH guru run the VIN; the service history showed head gaskets replaced (date and mileage unlisted), fuel tank crash cage installed under warranty recall, and at some point, turn signal switch replaced. Speaking of which, I did all the light checking during daytime, making the marker/clearance lights hard to see, so I went back at night to check again. I have 1 (out of 8 ) dome lights out, several of the 12 marker/clearance lights out, and the left "upper" tail/brake light out ... I had checked it earlier and had it working, but I'm going to replace *ALL* the 7" tail lights, as the plastic housings have deteriorated over time, and LED ones draw much less current. I thought the left turn signal and hazard lights were inoperative, but checking them at night revealed it is only the indicator is out (along with the high-beam indicator and instrument lights) ... the lights over the heater and A/C switches work, though. So I have an instrument cluster to disassemble and lights to check. The amber/red alternating flashers still work, one of the red ones is out. I probably won't ever need or use these, but they're still present and functional. Now ... how do I do pictures?


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Old 05-10-2016, 03:57 AM   #5
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Let's see if I can do photos.










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Old 05-10-2016, 04:03 AM   #6
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Old 05-10-2016, 06:48 AM   #7
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Old 05-10-2016, 07:27 AM   #8
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You may want to host them on imgur, Photobucket or Flickr. Google sometimes gives the site agita.
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Old 05-10-2016, 12:25 PM   #9
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You may want to host them on imgur, Photobucket or Flickr. Google sometimes gives the site agita.
......... Odd that I'm seeing them just fine? I'll see about hosting them somewhere else later this evening.
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Old 05-10-2016, 12:36 PM   #10
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Odd that I'm seeing them just fine? I'll see about hosting them somewhere else later this evening.
Is the embedded URL something like "C:\bus pics\img01234.jpg"? In which case you will see them just fine and be the only person in the universe who can. The picture hosting sites are easy enough to make friends with, and there's a HOWTO around here somewhere.
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