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04-30-2017, 01:18 AM
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Mini-Skoolie
Join Date: Apr 2017
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Posts: 12
Year: 1997
Coachwork: Blue Bird
Chassis: TC2000
Engine: Cummins 5.9L 6BT
Rated Cap: 32 passenger
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Bus Beginners from Philly
Hi! We live in Philly and are just getting started with this school bus thing. We have not purchased the bus yet, but we went to look at it the other day and were very impressed. We really want to make this happen, but it's so intimidating!
The bus is a 1992 Blue Bird FE with 8 rows of seats and a flat front. It's in great shape, and it's still a functioning school bus.
Any tips on title transfer, registration, and insurance in the state of Pennsylvania would be helpful at this point. We can't afford to keep it registered or insured as a school bus, and neither of us has a CDL, so we need to figure out how to get it registered as a mobile home or something else more practical and affordable.
We're also still sorting out where to park it. We can't trust people in the city not to vandalize it, and renting a secure space here would be expensive, so a place outside of town would be best while we get our ducks in a row.
We could really use some skoolie friends in the area to help us through this transition.
We're halfway to a new life and so glad to have found this forum!
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04-30-2017, 07:11 AM
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Bus Nut
Join Date: Mar 2015
Location: hills of sw virginia
Posts: 889
Year: 1996
Chassis: thomas
Engine: 8.3 cummins
Rated Cap: 11 window
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find a place to park/work on it first. call the dmv. you need to convert and get inspected here in va. every state is different . good luck
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04-30-2017, 07:18 AM
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Bus Nut
Join Date: Apr 2017
Location: Ridge Manor, FL
Posts: 311
Year: 1993
Coachwork: Carpenter
Chassis: Ford B600
Engine: Cummins 5.9
Rated Cap: 20 person
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Can't speak for pa but in fl all we had to do was fill out an afadavit that stated it had either 110, plumbing, or propane. Be prepared to deal with people at the DMV who don't know how to change it to a motor home. And be patiently
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05-01-2017, 02:10 AM
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Mini-Skoolie
Join Date: Apr 2017
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Posts: 12
Year: 1997
Coachwork: Blue Bird
Chassis: TC2000
Engine: Cummins 5.9L 6BT
Rated Cap: 32 passenger
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Thanks for the advice! I just sent for an insurance quote through AIS. Hopefully I will get insurance sorted out by tomorrow. With insurance in place, I supposedly can get it registered at PennDOT by Wednesday.
I think I'm going to just pay the price to keep it as a bus for now, because the guy we're buying from wants it off the lot soon, so it will be a PITA to get the seats removed before registering and driving away.
It's becoming more and more clear that I need this legal stuff done ASAP.
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05-01-2017, 02:14 AM
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Mini-Skoolie
Join Date: Apr 2017
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Posts: 12
Year: 1997
Coachwork: Blue Bird
Chassis: TC2000
Engine: Cummins 5.9L 6BT
Rated Cap: 32 passenger
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Also, I got the VIN from him today, and it's actually a 1997 Blue Bird, not a 1992. Good news!
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05-01-2017, 06:20 AM
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Almost There
Join Date: Aug 2016
Location: State College,PA
Posts: 69
Year: 1998
Chassis: ford e350
Engine: 7.3 powerstroke
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To register in pa you do not need to have that vehicle insured but you have to show insurance in your name on a pa vehicle that you have. Your vehicle insurance automatically insures the new vehicle for a couple of days so you can drive it to your house and gives you time to shop around.
Good luck
J
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05-01-2017, 06:34 AM
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Bus Geek
Join Date: Sep 2014
Location: Eustis FLORIDA
Posts: 23,764
Year: 1999
Coachwork: Thomas
Chassis: Freighliner FS65
Engine: Cat 3126
Rated Cap: 15
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ApeWriter
Also, I got the VIN from him today, and it's actually a 1997 Blue Bird, not a 1992. Good news!
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97 is probably still mechanical, which is good. But with buses and converting them, newer does NOT necessarily mean better. After about 97/98 they get much more complex to repair. Also more expensive.
My favorite buses for conversion would have to be from about 88-98.
I only point this out because most people assume buying a bus is the same buying a car and that newer MUST be better. Condition and spec are the most important factors, not year or kid count. I see you referred to the length by "rows"- that's the best and easiest way to express the length of a school bus. 8 rows would be a really nice size. I drive around in my 6 row a lot as its easy to get around in. 8 rows would be nice, too.
As to insurance I've found the best approach is to deal with a local agent. Dealing directly with the ins co's got me nowhere fast.
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05-02-2017, 05:42 PM
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Mini-Skoolie
Join Date: Apr 2017
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Posts: 12
Year: 1997
Coachwork: Blue Bird
Chassis: TC2000
Engine: Cummins 5.9L 6BT
Rated Cap: 32 passenger
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Thanks for the great advice, EastCoastCB! I'm feeling really good about this bus!
I got the liability insurance today from AIS, who were super helpful and made it so easy. It's $800 for the year ($67/month). I was hoping for cheaper, but she explained to me that the liability is measured by the size and weight of the vehicle, not by the number of passengers.
We're going to pick the bus up tomorrow morning and take it directly to PennDot for registration. I'm expecting them to register it as an "Omnibus" which is a Pennsylvania designation for personal buses that aren't used commercially or for schools. See the types of bus plates here.
I'm not sure how much the registration is going to cost. It's either $432 if they count it by passenger capacity (32 passengers), or it's just the regular $37 that they charge for standard registration. See the PA registration fees here.
My next worry is about inspection. Its inspection expired in november, but supposedly newly registered vehicles are allowed two weeks time to get inspected. Not sure I'll have time to do the inspection tomorrow, and not sure where one gets a bus inspected, either. I'm leaving for vacation on Thursday, so, if I can't get it inspected tomorrow, it'll sit with an expired inspection sticker until next week. Philadelphia Parking authority will almost certainly give me a ticket.
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12-28-2018, 08:07 PM
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New Member
Join Date: Nov 2018
Location: Norristown, PA
Posts: 2
Year: 2002
Coachwork: thomas
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How did your build work out? We are also near Philly and just bought a 2002 GMC short bus.
Tom
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07-27-2020, 08:04 AM
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#10
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New Member
Join Date: Feb 2020
Posts: 3
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Where do you get your bus services in philly? I am stuck in coatesville
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07-27-2020, 08:56 AM
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Bus Geek
Join Date: Jan 2019
Location: Philadelphia
Posts: 7,000
Year: 2003
Coachwork: International
Chassis: CE 300
Engine: DT466e
Rated Cap: 65C-43A
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Just4ma
Where do you get your bus services in philly? I am stuck in coatesville
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I have two places I've taken my bus to for repairs, one in Port Richmond and one in Chester. They both charge fairly normal hourly rates (a little over a hundred) and neither seems overly inclined to screw people over (the tow guy from Rob's actually spent about 45 minutes trying to get my bus to start on its own before towing it to the shop where it eventually got a new starter).
I'd probably pick Mario's in Port Richmond out of the two. Sorry, neither one is very close to Coatesville.
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09-15-2020, 04:05 PM
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#12
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New Member
Join Date: Jul 2020
Posts: 3
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Hi! Checking in with an old thread. I am dangerously close to buying a bus and I’m so ready to start working on it, but I cannot find a place to park and convert it. Looking for an my advice on possible rental lots or garages. Thanks in advance!
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09-16-2020, 01:41 PM
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#13
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New Member
Join Date: Sep 2020
Location: Florida for now
Posts: 5
Year: 2006
Coachwork: Thomas
Chassis: Safe-T-Liner HDX
Engine: Cat C7
Rated Cap: 33,000
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I'm not sure about around Philly but in Burlington you can store them at a Public Storage like an RV. There are several in the lot I am renting.
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