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Old 01-04-2016, 05:17 PM   #1
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Ford e450 engine swap

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I have just bought a 2004 ford e450 bluebird short bus from a US Air Force base here in England, and it was a 6.0 diesel, but this damaged engine is in bits in the back so I have also bought a 2001 ford e350 7.3 pick up from the same base and intend to put the 7.3 in the bus. Does anyone have any tips like can I just swap the engine or do I need to swap the gearbox too? Can this even be done?
I am making it into a campervan (RV) and start the transformation this week!

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You'll find better information on Ford engine swaps on one of the Ford van forums. Here's a thread about swapping them:

Swapping a 6.0l powerstroke for a 7.3l powerstroke - PowerStrokeArmy

The 6.0L was one of Ford's biggest mistakes, especially since it followed the successful 7.3L, but the 5R100 trans that came with the 6.0L was a big improvement over the previous trans that came with the 7.3L. If you can get them to play together you'll have the best of both worlds.

One potential problem is that the van chassis doesn't allow for the intercooler that the pickups have. That means the PCM (engine computer) for the 7.3l engine will be tuned too hot and you'll have to get a computer from a 7.3 van engine. The wire loom connectors are likely to be different too.

Depending on the condition of the original 6.0l engine it may be easier to rebuild it and fix the original design problems instead of swapping.
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I've changed the motor in my E-450. Big job. And there was a few small problems to overcome just going from a pick up truck engine vs. a van engine. ( 1 exhaust manifold -1 valve cover-oil cooler + turbo off the top of my head.) And I can't even imagine how much odd ball things you'd find trying to back date a motor like that.
You'd be far better off to redo a 6.0. Search "bullet-proofed." There are fixes that make the 6.0 a decent motor.
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I can't rebuilt the 6.0l as the block is missing and the pistons have been cut in half with a grinder!? And I don't know why they took it out in the first place. Sourcing another 6.0 over here is impossible, and to buy and ship one to England is big money.
I think the swap may be my only option, even though problematic. If I can get the 7.3 in, and use computers from the donor vehicle I hope it's do able as I don't have many options.
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If you have an intact donor vehicle you might be able to make things work.

But if you don't have all of the parts and pieces you are going to have a hard time getting the engine and transmission to talk to each other.

A friend of mine has had some issues with swapping a 7.3L out of a newer rig into his. The newer engine had different parameters that didn't allow it to talk to his control module or transmission. He could get it to start but just barely and it wouldn't run well enough to go anywhere. He ended up having to get a remanufactured engine that was specific to the model and year of his rig.

Back in the day with everything mechanical it was relatively easy to swap stuff around. But with the advent of electronics it is very difficult to swap stuff around unless you are able to get all of the donor vehicle's electronics to swap in as well.

Good luck.
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Roger that --- All the new-fangled electronics and computers have made swapping a nightmare. There are several guys over on one of the diesel forums who have been working on trying to make 4th gen Allison trannies play nice with their engines for about three years now. And one of the biggest hangups are the wiring harnesses. Getting all the right pins on each end is no simple matter. Then there are the programming issues which can be even more complex. Seems GM and a few others will NOT release any data regarding their proprietary languages. They can be hacked, but they can also take years to work out the many kinks. I paid extra to find and rebuild one of the older, all mechanical Cummins for just that reason. Seems very few people want to deal with the newer computer powered wonders for some reason.
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I do have complete donor e350 with gearbox, so might fit both and use all looms and computers and see what happens. I don't have many other options!
I also need to find out what headlamps will fit this, as the ones fitted are left hand drive lights, and I need right hand drive lights to use in uk.
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Like I said before, you will be in for some fun. If the E350 donor isn't a diesel or the same vintage as the pickup, it won't work. Just because you have a 4R100 in one vehicle, it doesn't mean it's the same as another 4R100 in different vehicle. Some have more sensors which are obviously hooked up to the computer. You can't just run down to your local wrecking yard to scrounge for parts.
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I've been running thru my head the amount of stuff you'd end up changing. IF-and its a real big IF-the lump will physically fit-and you can get around things like pan clearance-motor mounts-clearance to the body, off the top of my head to make a 7.3 work, you'll need : transmission
computer
wiring harness
VSS (vehicle speed sensor) + possibly the tone ring on the ring gear. (you wont even get the bus to move without this right.)
Gas pedal (which will be different for a van/truck)
Dashboard (again-different van/truck)
a van specific ex. manifold-(can't remember which side)
a van left side valve cover-and oil filler tube
a van tranny dipstick.
The motor + even more so the tranny are VERY computer + sensor dependent.
The motor weighs 900 lbs-and the tranny 350. You need a serious cherry picker to get the motor out. And you can cut the radiator support to make more room. Its a crazy tight squeeze.
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