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Old 02-17-2019, 12:54 PM   #1
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Having Serious Buyers Remorse. PLEASE HELP!!!

Hey Guys....

My wife and I bought a bus from NJ and I'm having serious remorse... I have begun demo on it but have paused due to concerns. One crossmember is rotted through and I know needs to be replaced which I'm okay with. Can anyone help me and tell me if this is a total bust? The swingarms seem to be covered in this muddy/oily material so I dug around. After investigation it looks like steel under there so maybe just a coating. There is flaking on the main frame but it looks to just be a coating as well. We need to get this conversion done fast so time is of the essence. Any and ALL help is greatly appreciated. Here is a link to check out the pictures....
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Old 02-17-2019, 01:56 PM   #2
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From what I see, the main frame looks to be in good shape. The crud covered suspension can be remedied with a careful pressure washing. Some of the floor joists/supports (they are not crossmembers, which is a frame component that does not extend the full width of the vehicle) are rusted and may need to be replaced. For the minor rust spots on the frame, clean and treat with rust converter and continue with your project.


If there were *MAJOR* rust flakes and chunks of metal separating from the frame, then I would be concerned.
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Old 02-17-2019, 02:27 PM   #3
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Thank you for this... Seriously needed to hear. When replacing the floor supports***(thanks hahah) Is that something where I would need to cut through the floor or can I just cut out the rusted parts from below with a grinder and weld new steel in?
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Old 02-17-2019, 03:53 PM   #4
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From what I see, the main frame looks to be in good shape.
I completely agree!

I think you're going to find that, the more you dig around, the more you will realize that things are nowhere nearly as bad as they first appear. I'm seeing a lot of surface rust on components that are very stout and that the rust is non-cancerous.

No reason for remorse at all.

I think it will make you feel better to familiarize yourself with the products put out by POR15, which stands for "Paint Over Rust."

www.por15.com
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Old 02-17-2019, 04:02 PM   #5
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Ahhh thank you. It's been an incredibly stressful few weeks. Do you think the order should be grinder with scrub head>por15>then rustoleum? What are your thoughts on OSPHO?
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Old 02-17-2019, 04:27 PM   #6
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Mine was about like that. I used an air needle Descaler to remove the old rust and paint. Then coated it with a rust stop then paint or undercoating.

An angle grinder with a flap disc works too. Use a 150 grit for heavy rust. 220 grit for lighter rust.

It was a lot of work but stopped the rust.


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Old 02-17-2019, 05:56 PM   #7
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Any thoughts towards using an encapsulator VS. converter? Can't figure out if I want to POR or OSPHO this thing. Feeling a lot better though, thanks a lot guys. This community is great!!!

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Old 02-17-2019, 06:22 PM   #8
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Following as I have one of these busses, with a little less rust, but rust none-the-less that needs treatment.

I'm not as far along as you, and am just about to the floor rails. What was your formula for removing them? I'm looking for more options, but now I'm thinking removing the plywood, then run a sawsall with hacksaw blades under the L Track.
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Old 02-17-2019, 06:39 PM   #9
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Chris... Those L-tracks were the bane of my existence for days and days. Tried cutting them with the grinder, drilling through the bolts, everything....

You're right on the money! Cut the plywood as close to the tracks as you can and run a sawzall underneath. I hammered a wedge in carefully before each bolt to give some upwards pressure so they pop when cut. I've been using the Lennox heavy steel blades and have used only 2 on 68' of collective bolts so far. HIGHLY recommend those blades.

Time and persistence my man, you got this!!!
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Old 02-17-2019, 06:59 PM   #10
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Just make sure you get those body mounts fixed. Looks like some may be rusted off altogether.
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