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Old 10-11-2017, 02:01 PM   #1
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Long time creeper

I've been creeping your forum for quite some time, just now decided to actually join and participate!

I've owned one bus (retired Green Bay Police mobile command center) and it was enough to make me fall in love(obsession?).

I am looking at buying my first fresh start plain jane bus for conversion, I have 2 options, and I'de love it if anyone would throw in there opinion/pick based on experience.

I've researched all the engine/trans combos, bus styles etc and I know I want an international DT or a cummins. Here are the best local choices I have at the moment, I'm ready to pull the trigger.

1. 2005 International FE DT466 full hood, 12 window, 79k miles $3800
2. 2000 Carpenter FE Flat nose, 24v cummins, 14 window, 59k miles $3900
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Old 10-11-2017, 02:04 PM   #2
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A LOT depends on condition.

Also, what transmission?

Tires?

Rust?

More details would help us answer with more detail.
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Old 10-11-2017, 02:10 PM   #3
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Both are relatively rust free, came from the same southern school district.

Both have Allison Autos, the owner doesn't know the model, but I'm going to look Friday and will be able to find out.

Tires on both are pretty decent/similar, appear to be 60%+ tread, no dry rot, maintained by the same school district until this year.

I guess my main question is:

DT466 shorter bus with hood VS Cummins longer bus with flat nose?

I like the space and look of the flat nose, but the hood seems more practical for maintenance and working on the bus. It also seems pretty unanimous that the DT466 is the favorite engine of most skoolie aficionados.. I'd like to be able to pull a small car or trailer while loaded.
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Old 10-11-2017, 02:13 PM   #4
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Old 10-11-2017, 04:18 PM   #5
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Which Allison is important.

Personally, I have owned 3- 5.9 Cummins and one 8.3 Cummins. I love them in the rigs they are in. However, I would not buy a full size bus with a 5.9. ESPECIALLY if the bus had an AT545.

All other things equal: the DT466 Bus will have more power, last longer and have more interior room. Unfortunately, it will be harder to work on.

The DT can be rebuilt in frame. The Cummins cannot.

My vote is for the DT.
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Old 10-11-2017, 05:35 PM   #6
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I've been creeping your forum for quite some time, just now decided to actually join and participate!
Creeper? Lurker ??
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Old 10-11-2017, 05:42 PM   #7
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I second or thrid which ever i am for the dt466. Tho if the cummins has a better trans i might lean there. Theres alot of variables. Do you want or need the extra space of the 14 window. Does that one also have underbelly storage. Rear end ratio is a big deal for some people. Affecting top speed. Tho I'd guess both those buses are power houses so they probably cruise. Stuff to think about
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Old 10-12-2017, 03:11 PM   #8
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Creep lurk potato potato lol.

Hopefully I'll have more details Friday, the extra space wouldn't hurt for sure but it's probably not 100% necessary..

Glad to be here guys, looks like a cool community, thanks for the feedback!
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Old 10-12-2017, 03:30 PM   #9
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Old 10-12-2017, 07:11 PM   #10
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that 2005 bus is Most likely an allison 2000 transmission (5 speed with overdrive).. the other one is Most likely the AT545, but look to be sure..

also get the rear gear ratios if you can... you can have all the over-drive in the world but if the rear gears are short the bus wont cruise...
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