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Old 06-01-2016, 07:25 AM   #11
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That appears to be a Mitchell, IN built Carpenter bus. I have one as well (older model). These buses had some issues with faulty welds where the roof bows meet the tops of the windows, unfortunately since Carpenter is no longer in business and the problem was not discovered until after the fact, there's no real way to force a recall. Not all had this issue, I suppose it depends on who was doing the welding that day it was built. It probably won't pose any issue as long as it isn't involved in a rollover (which was how the problem was discovered in the first place).
Good eye!!

Here is some info for inspection
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Old 06-01-2016, 07:50 AM   #12
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I have a mitchell carpenter as well and mine was updated / repaired... I thought the problem was discovered before they were defunct and many of the busses were repaired...

I know one thing, carpenter made a Solid bus but they did cut some corners on some things however others they were excellent.. (like open your electrical box and Note EVERY SWITCH is on a 20 amp circuit breaker.. And there are plenty of spare breakers.. Plus most of the carpenters have a 200 amp capable solenoid that controls the main switch panel.. it makes wiring things up VERY easy!


if you have an 86 or newer.. Now lets talk CRAPPY HEATER DESIGN! in the driver console are 3 heater motors.. one for the Left defrost, a driver foot warmer.. and a heater that blows directly out the back of the console onto the feet of the person in the first row seat.. there is a SINGLE heater core core mounted HORIZONTAL! oh and the air is sucked in the top and over the coil then blows out.. so this coil easily gets clogged with dirt. and you have to disassemble the heater unit to clean it.. (half of the coil is visible, half is covered by the outside air intake..)..

Next remove the vertical panel that goes top to bottom just to the left of the steering wheel.. its easy.. and Note the CARDBOARD duct that channels the defrost air from the Bottom of the heater box up to the windshield...

its not all carpenter's fault I guess because they did sub the heaters out to bergstrom.. and the defrosters in the 86+ are much better than previous..but still going to require some upgrading to get them right...

my next project is to rebuild both of my 2 front heater boxes and perform upgrades to the blowers and motors where i can...
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Old 06-01-2016, 02:48 PM   #13
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I have heard about the roof bow problem before and mine is a Richmond model, will this affect the roofs ability to hold a 90 lb ac unit in the front and one in the back? I can walk on the roof and it doesn't have any movement at all (I weight about twice what the ac would)
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Old 06-01-2016, 02:59 PM   #14
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Crapenters, Waynes, Wards... I like the "crappier", older, lesser known buses. IDK why but I really do.
Every school bus I've ever messed with (like maybe 5 total) were various brands and they were all build pretty well and pretty much the same.

I've seen at least a couple LATE Carpenters that were really nice. I wanna say they were like 1994's?
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Old 06-01-2016, 03:07 PM   #15
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This one is a 1992, its in decent shape. Someday I'd like to get a Bluebird pusher and do it.
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Old 06-01-2016, 03:49 PM   #16
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mine is a 1991 carpenter and in good shape.. the Only advantage I see to the bluebirds, thomas's, IC is that parts are still available for the bus part..

my carpenter I cant find a driver window anywhere... mine is a mess.. sre the glass I can have re-made but not the missing weather seal that doesnt seem to exist anywhere.... my old bluebird was an 86 and had a hacked driver window when I got it.. I just ordered a whole new one from bluebird... for a bus that was 23 years old...

if you have an IC from say 2001 up thats still the same IC they make nowadays.. you can find anything for them.

granted I like the feel, look, and cool-factor of old busses. superior was my favorite.. carpenter second.. but it is hard to find body parts..
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Old 06-01-2016, 04:08 PM   #17
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I have heard about the roof bow problem before and mine is a Richmond model, will this affect the roofs ability to hold a 90 lb ac unit in the front and one in the back? I can walk on the roof and it doesn't have any movement at all (I weight about twice what the ac would)
is the picture on page 1 your bus?

It doesnt look like one?


yours page 1
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Old 06-01-2016, 06:16 PM   #18
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the second pic is a crown low top.. I thought they built low and high top carpenters in mitchell and low and high top crowns in richmond...

I know my carpenter says mitchell on its indoor tag above the driver seat.... it could be that at some point they were making transitions when it became crown by carpenter?

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Old 06-01-2016, 10:40 PM   #19
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The Mitchell IN buses were the ones said to have the roof bow issue. The Richmond models are not. Either one should have no problem with a roof mounted AC unit. The problem is where the bows were welded above the windows, and 99% of the time it's not a problem. The defect was only discovered after a rollover in (Florida, I think it was) where the roof collapsed down to the seats and an investigation was done. As long as you keep your bus upright, it should be alright. Not all Mitchell buses had this problem, many were inspected, some were OK, some had a few bad welds, some had many (or all) bad welds. But there's no way to know without removing the inside panels to check. Since many of us do this anyway, it's good to know so you can check. Re-welding should restore the structural integrity to what the factory designed.
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my carpenter I cant find a driver window anywhere... mine is a mess.. sre the glass I can have re-made but not the missing weather seal that doesnt seem to exist anywhere.... my old bluebird was an 86 and had a hacked driver window when I got it.. I just ordered a whole new one from bluebird... for a bus that was 23 years old...
You want me to see if there's one where I got my bus? There were 2-3 buses, not sure if all were Carpenter bodies or not....
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