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Old 05-05-2017, 12:27 PM   #1
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hello everyone,

I've been following the Schoolie forum for quite some time,
but have just recently joined. Thrilled to be here and SO close
to getting my first schoolie.
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Old 05-05-2017, 02:43 PM   #2
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You don't have to have a bus to be here, but it would make more sense.
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Old 05-06-2017, 09:09 AM   #3
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You don't have to have a bus to be here, but it would make more sense.
hi Robin,
Thanks for the note.
I'm realllly close to actually having my bus.
Couldn't wait any longer to join the forum, was too
excited to start connecting with such inspiring people.
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If you've got a bus in mind, post the link here and let the guys go through it. We don't knowingly bid on buses other people bring for review.
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Old 05-09-2017, 11:08 AM   #5
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If you've got a bus in mind, post the link here and let the guys go through it. We don't knowingly bid on buses other people bring for review.

hi Robin, Thanks.
some details on one bus i'm looking at:
2006 Freightliner
Thomas Body
C7 Caterpillar engine
Approx.. 292,500 kms
--rebuilt motor
--new turbo
--new back springs
it's still in commission - will be until end of June 2017 - so KMs will be over 300 by the time i could get it.
i'm concerned about the mileage on this one.

the other bus:
2002
174000km
International engine 3800 T444E
Bluebird body
V8 diesel
auto trany
hydraulic brakes

comments, advice...???
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Old 05-09-2017, 12:58 PM   #6
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Well, I don't like either of these buses honestly.
The '06 is a bit new, computer controlled and likely has emissions maintenance issues. I don't like the Cat engine, Thomas body or high mileage. Understood it has been rebuilt and is still in service.

The '02 has more average mileage. I like the engine and the Blb body. What wrecks my interest for this bus is the wet (hydraulic) brakes. That is one way to solve the air brake endorsement issue for entry into Canada. I've driven both and I'd prefer to maintain air brakes over hydraulic.

There are those here that would argue any of the choices I've expressed here. They all work, so it's just a matter of preferences. Some systems are reportedly more expensive to maintain than others, or a preference is established based on experience with one type of system.

It's about what you're comfortable with. We like to recommend preferences based on your intended end use for your bus. I've interjected my own opinions which largely reflect the popular opinion of the skoolie masses. It's a fun process, but it's nearly always more work than expected.
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Old 05-09-2017, 05:11 PM   #7
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hi Robin, Thanks.
some details on one bus i'm looking at:
2006 Freightliner
Thomas Body
C7 Caterpillar engine
Approx.. 292,500 kms
--rebuilt motor
--new turbo
--new back springs
it's still in commission - will be until end of June 2017 - so KMs will be over 300 by the time i could get it.
i'm concerned about the mileage on this one.

the other bus:
2002
174000km
International engine 3800 T444E
Bluebird body
V8 diesel
auto trany
hydraulic brakes

comments, advice...???
not a big fan of cats, I like the blue birds, I have t444e and real happy with it.
Buy from the school board, and get one with the Ontario safety check, but it in your name right away, even if your not driving it, and not converted, you can change the title later to a motor home, Ontario safety is good for 36 days, and you don't want to have to do it again.
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hi Robin, Thanks.
some details on one bus i'm looking at:
2006 Freightliner
Thomas Body
C7 Caterpillar engine
Approx.. 292,500 kms
--rebuilt motor
--new turbo
--new back springs
it's still in commission - will be until end of June 2017 - so KMs will be over 300 by the time i could get it.
i'm concerned about the mileage on this one.

the other bus:
2002
174000km
International engine 3800 T444E
Bluebird body
V8 diesel
auto trany
hydraulic brakes

comments, advice...???
I'm pretty much in agreement with Robin on this. we seem to have some similar tastes in buses.
Older bus doesn't have as much emissions bs to worry with and will be cheaper to service as its an International.
I'd avoid anything 2005 and up, and anything with a Cat.
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the 444E will be easier to find parts for at reasonable prices since it shares a lot of parts with the ford powerstroke 7.3,

the newer bus will likely have as nicer transmission with overdrive... that 02, anyone's guess.. you should get info on rear gears and the transmission thats in both of them. so you can determine which one will cruise the highway better.

I have a short bus with a 444E and it is great... 444E is a bit underpowered for a Big bus id think.

that 2006 will have some emissions controls on it... and emissions can be costly to repair, the mileage isnt as much of a concern since it says the engine was rebuilt.. how long ago?

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Old 05-10-2017, 10:46 AM   #10
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Well, I don't like either of these buses honestly.
The '06 is a bit new, computer controlled and likely has emissions maintenance issues. I don't like the Cat engine, Thomas body or high mileage. Understood it has been rebuilt and is still in service.

The '02 has more average mileage. I like the engine and the Blb body. What wrecks my interest for this bus is the wet (hydraulic) brakes. That is one way to solve the air brake endorsement issue for entry into Canada. I've driven both and I'd prefer to maintain air brakes over hydraulic.

There are those here that would argue any of the choices I've expressed here. They all work, so it's just a matter of preferences. Some systems are reportedly more expensive to maintain than others, or a preference is established based on experience with one type of system.

It's about what you're comfortable with. We like to recommend preferences based on your intended end use for your bus. I've interjected my own opinions which largely reflect the popular opinion of the skoolie masses. It's a fun process, but it's nearly always more work than expected.
morning Robin,

Good, I'm with you on the '06. As to the '02, I love the BB body,
and less computer assimilation.
I'm currently as school bus driver, my unit has AB. I quite prefer
them over hydraulic.
The '02 has been well looked after - monthly maintenance - and the
seller will be removing all the seats, stop arm, cross arm, rear & mid
heaters. It drives SO smoothly, and handles well. I get good vibes about
this one.
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