Originally Posted by EastCoastCB
Sounds like the kind of person who buys 6.0's. ANd no need to get all bent out of shape. I've read the giant blocks of text. I get your point.
But why anyone would take on the hassle and expense of a van with a 6.0 crammed into it is beyond me. Even in a full size bus its way more complication and hassle when there are other perfectly good engines available not needing all the special attention and rigging from aftermarket shops and suppliers. By the time anyone's getting these things on the surplus market they're a real nightmare. If the techs at the bus yards are fed up with em, that ought to tell you something.
While we may disagree, I DO see what you're getting at. None of this is meant to be any kind of flame war or anything. Just a discussion with different points of view. But it seems akin to reinventing the wheel to try to take a turd and polish it when there are such better options out there.
Your point about the transmissions is moot when it comes to fullsize buses, btw.
Definitely not bent out of shape.
Yes I did buy a 6.0 in my truck. After deciding it was time to upgrade the 7 three. I too, felt the same as you about the 6 leaker. I did some research and then did some more. I realized that there was an awful lot of misinformation out there. I found that just like every other model out there, things are improved upon whichto the uninitiated, looks more complicated. In actuality, it's not much different.
The biggest difference I've noticed is that it takes more than your average stuck in the mud grease monkey to understand the issues or at least take interest in it. I wouldn't call a mechanic at a bus garage someone who would be. There are lots of Ford garages who feel the same way. In fact, there was a time when many dealers wouldn't accept a 6.0 on trade. All of that has changed since "the fixes" have proven reliable for many years and hundreds of thousands of miles.
Again, the 6.0 isn't a turd. I posted that I spent less than 2 grand to preventively fix my 6.0. I did spend more to have it done, but if time was more available than money. I would jump right in. Just like the "average" person on this forum jumps right in, instead of buying an overpriced RV.
In the big picture, the perfect bus may be available where you live in Florida. I would assume there must be lots of them in order to have "bus yards". The rest of the country might not be so lucky and that's part of the reason why I felt compelled to post. There are not a lot of 7.3s in this area because they have all rusted away around the powertrain!
I guess I kept bringing up the transmission because I'm interested in a short bus or shuttle conversion. In that chassis, the transmission is a huge plus.
My comment about those who have spent $10k on a 6 leaker and still have issues was more an obversation on what not to do. Not all problems are the engine's fault. Any owner who refuses to be proactive and monitor with gauges certain parameters has no one to blame, but themselves.
Since I've been posting big blocks of text, I'll stop after this. FICM voltage, battery voltage, coolant temperature and oil temperature differential are some of the most important things you need to understand as an owner of a 6.0 liter diesel.