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Old 07-02-2016, 09:56 PM   #21
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Sounds like the kind of person who buys 6.0's. ANd no need to get all bent out of shape. I've read the giant blocks of text. I get your point.
But why anyone would take on the hassle and expense of a van with a 6.0 crammed into it is beyond me. Even in a full size bus its way more complication and hassle when there are other perfectly good engines available not needing all the special attention and rigging from aftermarket shops and suppliers. By the time anyone's getting these things on the surplus market they're a real nightmare. If the techs at the bus yards are fed up with em, that ought to tell you something.
While we may disagree, I DO see what you're getting at. None of this is meant to be any kind of flame war or anything. Just a discussion with different points of view. But it seems akin to reinventing the wheel to try to take a turd and polish it when there are such better options out there.
Your point about the transmissions is moot when it comes to fullsize buses, btw.
Definitely not bent out of shape. Yes I did buy a 6.0 in my truck. After deciding it was time to upgrade the 7 three. I too, felt the same as you about the 6 leaker. I did some research and then did some more. I realized that there was an awful lot of misinformation out there. I found that just like every other model out there, things are improved upon whichto the uninitiated, looks more complicated. In actuality, it's not much different.
The biggest difference I've noticed is that it takes more than your average stuck in the mud grease monkey to understand the issues or at least take interest in it. I wouldn't call a mechanic at a bus garage someone who would be. There are lots of Ford garages who feel the same way. In fact, there was a time when many dealers wouldn't accept a 6.0 on trade. All of that has changed since "the fixes" have proven reliable for many years and hundreds of thousands of miles.
Again, the 6.0 isn't a turd. I posted that I spent less than 2 grand to preventively fix my 6.0. I did spend more to have it done, but if time was more available than money. I would jump right in. Just like the "average" person on this forum jumps right in, instead of buying an overpriced RV.
In the big picture, the perfect bus may be available where you live in Florida. I would assume there must be lots of them in order to have "bus yards". The rest of the country might not be so lucky and that's part of the reason why I felt compelled to post. There are not a lot of 7.3s in this area because they have all rusted away around the powertrain!
I guess I kept bringing up the transmission because I'm interested in a short bus or shuttle conversion. In that chassis, the transmission is a huge plus.
My comment about those who have spent $10k on a 6 leaker and still have issues was more an obversation on what not to do. Not all problems are the engine's fault. Any owner who refuses to be proactive and monitor with gauges certain parameters has no one to blame, but themselves.
Since I've been posting big blocks of text, I'll stop after this. FICM voltage, battery voltage, coolant temperature and oil temperature differential are some of the most important things you need to understand as an owner of a 6.0 liter diesel.
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Old 07-03-2016, 06:30 AM   #22
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I don't buy FL buses. They're junk, we spend very little on schools here. I bought my current bus in KY- a good one is worth travelling for, man.
Its got air ride, mechanical DT466, Allison 643, and with a quarter million miles burns less oil than my 2013 Subaru lemon. Cost $2150 out the door. A good bus can be had for less than "fixing" a 6.0!
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Old 07-03-2016, 07:44 AM   #23
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I don't buy FL buses. They're junk, we spend very little on schools here. I bought my current bus in KY- a good one is worth travelling for, man.
Its got air ride, mechanical DT466, Allison 643, and with a quarter million miles burns less oil than my 2013 Subaru lemon. Cost $2150 out the door. A good bus can be had for less than "fixing" a 6.0!
Yet what about those who wish to buy a short bus? More specifically a van chassis? Keep on teaching man!

Just remember. I said you don't "need" to do what I did with my 6.0 and I did upgrades for less than $2k.
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Old 07-03-2016, 07:49 AM   #24
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Yet what about those who wish to buy a short bus? More specifically a van chassis? Keep on teaching man!

Just remember. I said you don't "need" to do what I did with my 6.0 and I did upgrades for less than $2k.
Teaching??

As to the van chassis- I'd say avoid the aggrivation...why settle?
Dude every ford forum that talks about "6.0 bulletproofing" seem to indicate the upgrades cost significantly more than a couple grand.
A couple grand is NOTHING for a 6.0
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Old 07-03-2016, 08:49 AM   #25
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Teaching??

As to the van chassis- I'd say avoid the aggrivation...why settle?
Dude every ford forum that talks about "6.0 bulletproofing" seem to indicate the upgrades cost significantly more than a couple grand.
A couple grand is NOTHING for a 6.0
The van chassis because it's my first foray into conversion. This is a temporary home for my wife and I until our house is built, then will be used for weekend trips or short vacations. We are coming from a 3,000 square foot house that we used less than a third of it and are now renting a 2 bedroom condo that we use less than half of. A full size bus would be a waste and would limit where we could take it. To "go anywhere" we want to visit, is a 200 mile drive one way. Having the ability to park in almost any parking lot and still navigate normal city streets is imperative. Less is more nowadays. Just pokin' at ya there a little.
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Old 07-03-2016, 09:12 AM   #26
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Less than $2k because you need to be smart about what you purchase and from where. Yes, I could have bought expensive Bulletproof Diesel products, but then I would have been "buying" into the hype machine. Keep researching, you'll see what I mean.
If I was foolish enough to purchase a 6.0 liter and blindly drive it until I had a failure before finding out what needs to be done preventively and monitored while driving, you could easily spend $10k fixing your screw up. It seems your knowledge of the 6.0 liter is of reactionary and oblivious owners. None of your comments or figures resonate with a 6.0 purchaser with a good head on their shoulders who did thorough research before jumping in.

Every single part I purchased was OEM except the ARP head studs, EGR delete, coolant filter, exhaust and radiator. The last 2 were upgrades I wanted to do, but didn't need to.

If I had failures first, I can see paying $3k for injectors, $800 for a FICM, $300 for batteries, $400-500 for an upgraded alternator, $1200 for a new turbo, several thousand for new heads, $500 for a new oil cooler or over $2000 for a Bulletproof Diesel oil cooler relocation kit, $250 for a EGR delete kit and I could keep going. Most, if not all of that list could be prevented with some research.
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Old 07-03-2016, 09:21 AM   #27
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See? These kinds of conversations are great.
And I didn't mean "avoid van chassis buses", I meant avoid the 6.0 in one.
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Old 07-03-2016, 09:43 AM   #28
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See? These kinds of conversations are great.
And I didn't mean "avoid van chassis buses", I meant avoid the 6.0 in one.
I'm learning!
Currently I'm looking at a V10, 4R100 van chassis. I should start a thread for purchasing advice, but am not sure where I should post it? Sorry for the thread hijack OP!
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Old 07-03-2016, 02:35 PM   #29
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I looked at a lot of bsses from a lot of places.. and I like to think i got pretty decent bus... it does what I want it to.. has the "old bus feel..look, and sound".. has a few issues to fix.. drives out on the highway and makes me smile..

I was told to avoid the VT365 and the Maxxforce 7 at ALL costs... yet others said avoid the T444E.. and some said the DT-466E were all engines that would cost me crazy money...

I heard very little negative about any cummins... though some said the 5.9 was underpowered..

the same people said my DT-360 was hugely underpowered... that I must have a DT-466 or Bust..

when it came down to it.. for what i wanted.. an OLDER bus with that energy / feel / sound / etc of the busses I rode to school in..

on PURE ECONOMICS lets say I paid a similar price for a newer bus that has a working at the time or very recently failed injector.. in a VT-365.. vs an old bus with a mechanical DT466 / 360 in it.. then getting the newer bus (likely you are looking at 5-10 years newer)... you fix the VT-365 and I hear ruors that those fixes stay and the engine runs many miles.. you have a bus that has newer steering components, likely less rust, possibly easierto take things apart on... newer transmission.... windows and such that probably still seal up... heaters that work and arent plugged... maybe even road A/C....

seems like that performing the accepted fix to this "everyoe on skoolie.net hates it" engine might not be so bad after all comparatively.. and depending on what someone is doing to their bus..
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...I like to think i got pretty decent bus... it does what I want it to... drives out on the highway and makes me smile...
That's cool.
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