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Old 05-06-2016, 09:29 PM   #21
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They actually need ballast? I've changed the center of gravity by chiseling out rivets.

I don't understand, I post the pics through photobucket and they keep disappearing.




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Old 05-06-2016, 11:06 PM   #22
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That is truly bizarre guys. The only thing that I can think of is along the "ballast" lines to load the rear springs enough to take out the infamous "empty bus bounce".

These rigs come from the factory sprung to handle max loading. 72 passengers x 200 pounds or so equals 14,400 pounds. Without a full load, the spring rate is brutally stiff. I reduced the spring rate on my shorty by 50% and added rear shocks to accomplish something similar. You might think about dumping the dead weight and lightening the springs.
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Old 05-07-2016, 12:02 AM   #23
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I think that's a fine idea. Nice place for a big tank or something useful and there are already hangers there. That's very interesting. I'm hauling around hundreds of pounds of tail weight. No wonder it has such a heavy arse.

I think the springs are pretty well broke in by now. It doesn't feel stiff now, so I'll drop the weight and see how it feels. I'm guessing it will drive better on these bouncy back roads without the tail weight. I keep my water barrels right in front of the back axle but other than that there isn't a lot of weight in this bus, build wise. It's still my fishing van.
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Old 05-07-2016, 07:23 AM   #24
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The Goat kids asked me about buses "hopping"... It took me a minute to understand what they were talking about.
Turns out if you don't have air ride the rear can BOUNCE.
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Old 05-07-2016, 10:46 AM   #25
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I really have to watch it on the back roads. The bus width fills my half of the road with a good 6" to spare. People smack mirrors occasionally while passing. In these FEs the front seems to get equal bounce, apparently because of my short wheel base as the front is cantilevered just about as much as the rear. In this shorter wheel base bus I get a definite hopping motion. I've never ridden in the back of the bus while it's going down the road. The dog nose buses dip and dodge like normal but in this rig it kind of rocks front to rear. Hey... this rig rocks!
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I can make it down a bumpy dirt road without stuff falling over.
40' with air ride pretty much rides like a giant minivan. Sorta.
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Old 05-07-2016, 12:35 PM   #27
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Do they put air ride on short buses? There's a lot of advantages to a 40'r, but I'd like to see you follow my bus on the back roads where maneuverability counts.
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Do they put air ride on short buses? There's a lot of advantages to a 40'r, but I'd like to see you follow my bus on the back roads where maneuverability counts.
Thats why after I hit the lottery I'm putting in a steerable rearend.
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Old 05-07-2016, 05:05 PM   #29
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Hi Geick,
Just saw your post. I need to swing over to Ethridge in a couple weeks and pick up a load of cedar from one of the sawmills around there. Wife wants a "SheShed" with cedar siding.
As a long time bus driver I will say good idea on the RE DT466 and 3060. Really though don't worry about a DT466E or mechanical. It's going to be extremely difficult or impossible to find a mechanical one with the 3060 because of age. Anything past the mid '90s is going to be an E. The only practical difference between the mechanical and E is that the engine warning light on the E will stay on all the time. Even right after my engine was rebuilt with a reputable mechanic the computer always shows a faulty sensor even when it was replaced.

As far as manuverability: there's not much practical difference between an FE and RE. Yes, the RE has a longer wheelbase but it will drive the one lane mountain roads just as well. Just pull out a little further in the weeds. I will take an RE or FE over a conventional any day, any road. And in dicey weather conditions the RE wins.

Pulling a mountain grade: Any school bus is going to slow down, but a 466/3060 will do as well as any of them other than maybe a Crown. Going up the Cumberland Plateau I slow down to 45 but part of that is going around the curves.
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Do they put air ride on short buses? There's a lot of advantages to a 40'r, but I'd like to see you follow my bus on the back roads where maneuverability counts.
my 7 row has it in the rear but not the front
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