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Old 10-12-2015, 05:18 PM   #1
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Salutations from Southern-Middle Tennessee...But Hopefully Not for Long

Hello, All! I am a complete newcomer to the world of bus conversion. Although I've Googled "best bus for conversion" (as well as other phrases) and read what was available, I'm afraid searching internet forums isn't my strong suit. Thank you in advance for any and all feedback and advice!

My wife, our [soon to be] four kids and I are about to embark on an adventure, and I (as well as most people here, I would presume) am trying to do my homework before even beginning to seriously look for or consider a bus to convert. We are looking to say "goodbye" to renting and the monotony of being stuck in one locale, and "hello" to traveling the country in our mobile four-wheeled abode. Freedom of location is what this conversion will grant us: freedom to explore, freedom to experience, freedom to educate ourselves and our children, and freedom to not have to be constrained to the sedentary lifestyle so many Americans seem to be enslaved to (if no one reading this feels that way, then please forgive that last little bit of soap-boxing and read on).

Though this part of the country has its own particular allure, I'm hopeful that we will find in our travels other places where we might choose from to settle down, or maybe we'll live on our bus for the foreseeable future. Who knows? At this present moment, all I DO know is that I want to convert a bus, and I need your help!

I've found a lot of information scattered across the internets, and I have an idea what I want to do, but I want to make sure I have the basics down first:

1) I've deduced that there are two basic incarnations of school buses: conventional and transit. I like the prospect of better maneuverability, less noise, a better ride, built-in storage, and more headroom (is this a given?) of a transit, but I don't know if they are as adept as conventionals at traversing backroads. If I wanted to have the option to "take the dirt road", would I be able to do so in a transit? If not, could a transit be modified fairly inexpensively to do so? Also, are/were there any transits that would be geared appropriately for higher-speed/interstate driving?

2) I would like to better understand the breakdown of the different components of a schoolbus (ie. chassis, engine, transmission, etc.), especially where different manufacturers play into them. For instance, in my reading, sometimes the engine is referenced as though it is part of the chassis, rather than the engine and chassis being two separate "options" from two separate manufacturers, so clarification on this would be extremely helpful.

Doubtless I will have many, many more questions, but these seem to be the ones hindering my research presently. If there are any comprehensive resources available, please do let me know. Thanks again!

Dan
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Old 10-12-2015, 06:18 PM   #2
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Welcome.

This topic has been beat to death here. Just look around and start reading on this site.

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Old 10-12-2015, 07:00 PM   #3
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As I understand it Blue Bird buses are (almost?) always built on chassis of their own making, whereas the other brands are usually bodies set onto a chassis from another vendor (often International). I wouldn't say one is inherently better than the other; it's just different.

As for the components: I don't go to the Blue Bird "dealer." The systems are more independent than on a modern car so I call on a place that deals in whatever system I'm working on. I go to the local branch of Rocky Mountain Cummins for engine parts, and I know a couple local outlets that distribute parts for the Spicer axle components, the Bendix brake system, etc. Yet another company is the local rep and shop for Allison/World Transmission. For body stuff like door actuators, wiring, lighting, and hoses I consider myself to be entirely on my own to make something up whenever something "needs" modification or repair.

You kind of get the hang of it after calling a few heavy truck places looking for one thing or another. Their people generally are aware of the other major distributors and the lines they carry, so if one place can't provide what you need they may know who you should try calling next.
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Old 10-12-2015, 07:30 PM   #4
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As to headroom- the districts are more responsible for that than the style of bus. Conventionals and transits can be ordered in standard or high headroom form.
If height is an issue, then a roof raise is probably in the cards. If raising the roof it won't really matter too much if you get standard or high headroom.

For maneuverability, a front engine transit style bus is awesome.
For backroads and dirt roads I'd want a conventional.
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Old 10-13-2015, 09:56 AM   #5
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As to headroom- the districts are more responsible for that than the style of bus. Conventionals and transits can be ordered in standard or high headroom form.
If height is an issue, then a roof raise is probably in the cards. If raising the roof it won't really matter too much if you get standard or high headroom.

For maneuverability, a front engine transit style bus is awesome.
For backroads and dirt roads I'd want a conventional.
Thanks for the replies, Guys (Gals?)!

CB, thanks for your reply and advice.

My purpose in asking about the headroom issue is this: If I am able to buy a bus with enough headroom, then I won't have to spend the time/money to raise the roof, though I know I'll have to take some space away in calculating for the headroom department, since I'll probably be adding an interior ceiling, along with insulation...so a roof raise may be inevitable.

I'm sure I will fall in love with buses, at least to some extent, during this process (it's my nature to become at least slightly obsessive when researching/working on a project); but my main objective is to find exactly what I want/need in a bus before purchasing, so as to get it converted with as little modification to its existing structure as possible/necessary (and I'm sure you understand that).

About transit versus conventional, do rear engine transits differ in some way from a front engine transit where maneuverability is concerned? I've been leaning in the direction of a transit, with the intention of pulling a vehicle (obviously) for exploration beyond the asphalt; but if, for some reason, I had to venture off the beaten path, I would like to know the bus would be able to handle it, within reason.

In other words, I want perfection, the best of both worlds.

No, really.

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Old 10-13-2015, 10:02 AM   #6
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Rear engine school buses have alonger wheelbase and turning radius. For instance- the gate that I have to get my 40 footer through is pretty tight and is a 90* bend. I barely make it in my FE, but I don't think a RE would make it.
For towing, I think the FE is the winner as well.

RE chassis layout-


FE layout-
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Old 10-13-2015, 10:11 AM   #7
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As I understand it Blue Bird buses are (almost?) always built on chassis of their own making, whereas the other brands are usually bodies set onto a chassis from another vendor (often International). I wouldn't say one is inherently better than the other; it's just different.

As for the components: I don't go to the Blue Bird "dealer." The systems are more independent than on a modern car so I call on a place that deals in whatever system I'm working on. I go to the local branch of Rocky Mountain Cummins for engine parts, and I know a couple local outlets that distribute parts for the Spicer axle components, the Bendix brake system, etc. Yet another company is the local rep and shop for Allison/World Transmission. For body stuff like door actuators, wiring, lighting, and hoses I consider myself to be entirely on my own to make something up whenever something "needs" modification or repair.

You kind of get the hang of it after calling a few heavy truck places looking for one thing or another. Their people generally are aware of the other major distributors and the lines they carry, so if one place can't provide what you need they may know who you should try calling next.
Thanks, family wagon, for taking the time to reply.

My question has less to do with how to get parts, and more about understanding and knowing, when I am bus shopping, what engines were available with what chassis were available with what tranny whose body was manufactured by whom...that sort of thing, though your advice on getting replacement parts will no doubt turn out to be priceless. Thank you very much.

Really, I think what I'm looking for is a more comprehensive resource than the forum for this, where that sort of information is laid out in a one-page list-type format, though it may not exist. If it doesn't, I'm sure I will scour the forum, and place all of the information into a more easily reference-able format for my research. Thanks again.

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Old 10-13-2015, 10:21 AM   #8
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Interesting, good to know, and excellent information. This is what I'm looking for. That's very helpful, BC. Thanks.

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Old 10-13-2015, 10:26 AM   #9
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Welcome.

This topic has been beat to death here. Just look around and start reading on this site.

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I'm sure it has been beat to death. Unfortunately, that fact doesn't seem to make finding the information I'm looking for any easier. Thanks for your responsiveness.

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Old 10-13-2015, 10:35 AM   #10
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Rear engine school buses have alonger wheelbase and turning radius. For instance- the gate that I have to get my 40 footer through is pretty tight and is a 90* bend. I barely make it in my FE, but I don't think a RE would make it.
For towing, I think the FE is the winner as well.

RE chassis layout-


FE layout-
Can you tell me what kind of difference in the wheel base dimensions we are talking about between a FE and RE?

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