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Old 03-22-2017, 08:14 PM   #11
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If the chassis was made by IHC I too would seriously doubt it being a Cummins. But the OP stated the chassis was made by Crane. It would be very logical for a Crane chassis to have a Cummins engine.
Didn't realize I was going to create quite as much stir with that detail. Some of it might be my newbiness. The body tag lists 1991 for the Crane Chassis and 1992 for the AmTran/Ward body. I will grab some photos of the engine in the daylight tomorrow. It has the very distinctive individual cylinder valve covers of the Cummins 5.9L.

Interestingly enough Crane - Carrier is headquartered here in Tulsa, OK and IC/Amtran has a massive school bus facility here as well (Not when this bus was manufactured though).
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Old 03-22-2017, 08:15 PM   #12
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Is the engine blue?
I originally answered yes and then questioned myself. No, it is not blue. The valve covers are black. Here are some photos I took tonight (It is dark and my flash isn't that great).
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Old 03-22-2017, 08:28 PM   #13
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Before IHC purchased part of Ward the Ward Bus Body company had to go out and purchase chassis to put under their buses. The Ward Body Company, as far as I know, never built any buses on their own chassis. AS a consequence, all of their bodies were built on OEM vendor supplied chassis.

Crane Carrier Chassis was just one of several companies that offered OEM vendor supplied chassis. IIRC, CCC was later purchased by Spartan who still makes OEM vendor supplied chassis for RV's and fire trucks.

The electric over hydraulic booster is there for whenever the engine isn't running or if while running the hydraboost unit should happen to fail. It is the same sort of system GM has used in some of the light duty trucks, vans, and cut-away chassis since the late '70's and all since about 2000.

You should not be operating your bus on the road without the electric part of the system operating. If your hydraboost should fail the only braking you would have left would be how hard you could stand on the brake pedal and from applying the emergency/parking brake.

The electric motor should operate any time the brakes are applied and the hydraboost isn't working. In other words, it should work regardless of whether or not the ignition key is off or on.

As far as parts and pieces or any sort of wiring schematic I think you are going to have to become very creative. If you go to an IC Bus dealer you might be able to get a Line Setting Ticket for the bus. But I wouldn't get my hopes up on that. Body parts and pieces won't be hard to find. But finding anything for the running gear I don't have a clue as to where to start other than looking for a builder's plate that id's the axles or any tags on the axles that give any id.

I hope you paid a price that is low enough that figuring out the electrical issues will offset the aggravation and time spent figuring things out.

Good luck and happy trails to you!
Thanks so much for the info! I definitely will not be operating the bus until I ensure that the brake system is fully functional again. The electric motor definitely isn't starting when the pedal is depressed. Did a bit of searching today and believe I found the appropriate Bosch service documentation for the unit installed on the bus.

I think you are absolutely correct that I am going to have get creative on dealing with the wiring schematics. Luckily I find it therapeutic to get out there and run down the wires using the continuity setting on my multimeter
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Old 03-23-2017, 07:17 AM   #15
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me too! i never knew International sold a bus with a non international engine in it.. at least not during those times.. obviously now they do since they no longer make engines..


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Great thread. I love it when you can bust out popcorn while the Bus Crazys and Bus Geeks get into these deep convos and spill all that bus knowledge. LOTs of interesting info here.
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