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Old 02-11-2016, 08:51 AM   #1
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The new guy

Hello people. of course you can tell I am new. you can also probably tell am not big on grammar. I'm more of a labor person than book or spelling. the teachers could not break me of that. Id say last 7-8 yrs. its always been on my mind to do a skoolie. Its just now looking like its closer to the possibility. A project with the family and hopefully good memories building and exploring with the wife and kiddos is behind the whole deal. So I am coming here for help. Not to have you pay for my way or do the work for me (Id rather do it my self). I don't know much of busses other than the obvious. And that is why I am here at the best forum on the net. Maybe some day I can repay the help.
So my first question.
The web is not giving me much info. When I called they more or less wanted me to be there and dangled enough info (the carrot) in front me so to say.

So what is your thoughts on a

2002 International AMTRAM conventional Trans: Unknown at this time.
Engine: T444E
PAX: 71
Miles: 139,110
Price: $3,500
The bus is in my state (OK) but came from IL if that plays in anything. The couple of pictures I did see it looks good. Its about 4hrs away from me so haven't physically seen it yet.

Thanks upfront for your time and info.
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Old 02-11-2016, 08:56 AM   #2
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Greetings. I started like you knowing nothing, and have already come a long way. Keep reading threads here and you'll learn a TON. That being said, most people here still know about 1000x what I do.

Here's what I can tell you...

You'll want to find out what transmission it is before buying. If they can't tell you exactly which it is, perhaps they can get you the serial number from the spec panel. Use this site to look up the model from that: My Transmission

Also, be very careful about IL buses and rust. I would be nervous buying one without looking first. Are you able to check it out in advance or is this an auction?

Good luck!
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Old 02-11-2016, 09:31 AM   #3
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Its at a bus dealer but no no auction. I can go look at it whenever and I will before I put any $ on it. I will keep the rust issue in mind and dig more into the trans. I have seen the Amtran talked about on here so I no its a comen bus. Never heard of the T444E engine though. When I looked it up on google it seamed to be a good engine something like 10yrs straight making. But I wanted to check with you guys to see if anyone has one any issues or issues with parts type thing. Thank you for your info.
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Old 02-11-2016, 03:46 PM   #4
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Da engine is a very common engine and easy to repair.

The engine is made by either Ford or International. The hp is low but can be improved with a turbo from the Ford pickups. If necessary the engine is very easy to remove and replace or to work on. Most common failure is the lift pump or the injector connections. Good battery connections are very necessary. The glow plug system is not great, but works. I disconnected the glow plug relay and use start fluid to start the day.. After first start, glow plugs not needed. Start fluid saves the battery too. Frank
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Old 02-11-2016, 05:38 PM   #5
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2002 was about the time AMTRANS changed from being owned largely by Navistar to becoming completely owned by Navistar. When Navistar purchased the balance of AMTRANS the name changed to IC Bus.

Anything you need on that bus can be purchased locally from NAPA, CARQUEST, or O'Reilly's.

The T444E is the 7.3L V-8 diesel used in light duty Ford trucks for many years. Many of the HP upgrades that work on Ford products can be used on the T444E.

While the T444E is a great engine it isn't a powerhouse, particularly in a 12-row bus. It is a superb engine for getting around town on route where the speeds don't go above 45 MPH. It wasn't designed or built to be a big powerhouse to move a full size bus at highway speed. So don't be surprised if the top speed is around 55 MPH. Some were geared to go in excess of 65 MPH and some were geared with a top speed of 47 MPH.

If the bus has no or very little rust and if I isn't all beat up it would make a great candidate for conversion.

The mileage seems a little low for a bus of that vintage but give it better value.

All things being equal, the price seems very reasonable.
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Old 02-11-2016, 09:23 PM   #6
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Thanks for the info. I like easy to work on for engines. I'm not a professional mechanic by no stretch. I can do the check fluids (maint) and little work. Over hauls and major engine work not my thing....willing to learn though.
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Old 02-11-2016, 09:30 PM   #7
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2002 was about the time AMTRANS changed from being owned largely by Navistar to becoming completely owned by Navistar. When Navistar purchased the balance of AMTRANS the name changed to IC Bus.

Anything you need on that bus can be purchased locally from NAPA, CARQUEST, or O'Reilly's.

The T444E is the 7.3L V-8 diesel used in light duty Ford trucks for many years. Many of the HP upgrades that work on Ford products can be used on the T444E.

While the T444E is a great engine it isn't a powerhouse, particularly in a 12-row bus. It is a superb engine for getting around town on route where the speeds don't go above 45 MPH. It wasn't designed or built to be a big powerhouse to move a full size bus at highway speed. So don't be surprised if the top speed is around 55 MPH. Some were geared to go in excess of 65 MPH and some were geared with a top speed of 47 MPH.

If the bus has no or very little rust and if I isn't all beat up it would make a great candidate for conversion.

The mileage seems a little low for a bus of that vintage but give it better value.

All things being equal, the price seems very reasonable.
Thank you for the info. Bummer the HP is low or not a power horse but I also like parts can be bought through local parts stores.

Also they sent more pictures to me of the frame. From the pictures it doesn't look too bad on rust. In all pictures I never saw any damage. Still waiting on specs for the trans. Prob get that tomorrow. And for sure no money until I am standing by it to inspect.
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Old 02-20-2016, 04:23 PM   #8
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Greetings. I started like you knowing nothing, and have already come a long way. Keep reading threads here and you'll learn a TON. That being said, most people here still know about 1000x what I do.

Here's what I can tell you...

You'll want to find out what transmission it is before buying. If they can't tell you exactly which it is, perhaps they can get you the serial number from the spec panel. Use this site to look up the model from that: My Transmission

Also, be very careful about IL buses and rust. I would be nervous buying one without looking first. Are you able to check it out in advance or is this an auction?

Good luck!
Ok so like I said I'm not up on the mechanical side of things but they have told me they think the transmission is an Allison: said the gear ratio is 5:57.They said they are still looking for a serial number and cannot guarantee its the same transmission it was in 2002. but they are looking.
they said the rear end is

Davis placer
19060s
190 wheel end

As for the rust they sent me more pictures of the frame and engine and from the pictures it looks only like surface rust. they are only open in the week and I have not ben able to get away from work so I still have not seen it my self.
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Old 02-20-2016, 05:24 PM   #9
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If it truly does have 5.57:1 rear gears it either won't go much faster than 50 MPH at wide open throttle or it has a newer electronically controlled Allison 2000 or 3000 series transmission with at least one gear that is overdrive.

If the bus is generally the size you want I would say go for it.

The availability and location near you makes the price very attractive.

Just make sure than any rust is superficial and not cancerous.
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Old 02-20-2016, 08:34 PM   #10
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If it truly does have 5.57:1 rear gears it either won't go much faster than 50 MPH at wide open throttle or it has a newer electronically controlled Allison 2000 or 3000 series transmission with at least one gear that is overdrive.

If the bus is generally the size you want I would say go for it.

The availability and location near you makes the price very attractive.

Just make sure than any rust is superficial and not cancerous.
So I am gunna sound stupid now to some one but when you say...

won't go much faster than 50 MPH at wide open throttle or it has a newer electronically controlled Allison 2000 or 3000 series transmission with at least one gear that is overdrive.

Does that mean the newer electronically controlled Allison 2000 or 3000 series transmission with at least one gear that is overdrive. this version will do the 65 MPH or I just need it in my mind that 50 is going to max this guy out?
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