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Old 07-18-2018, 04:30 PM   #1
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Hello everyone! Iíve decided to take on a new project and fix an old school bus that has been handed down from my family, itís been in the family since the 80s, Iím looking for some general information... the bus is an early 50ís Dodge Short Bus.... the bus has already been converted to an RV I believe sometime in the late 60s-70s?? (Based on the styling of interior)The plate Iíve found on the passenger side exterior near the entry door says ďIndustrial Steel Body Works, Jacksonville TexasĒ (anyone have information on this company?) it has the model number and serial number on that plate as well, I know some of these buses were converted by companies like Wayne etc was this bus converted by a company based on that plate Iíve found? ... the engine is a V8 Pontiac Strato-Streak, engine doesnít run and hasnít ran in over 20yrs, transmission is a manual 4spd..... the bus definitely needs work... maybe thereís a reasonable priced used engine I can swap in? Eventually it would be nice to have a 5.9 Cummins but that requires a lot of $ as well as fabrication, so for now Iím wanting to learn the history of the bus as well as figure a game plan to get the current engine running or have some options for used engines to get swapped in without a lot of fabrication. Any advice/information would be appreciated. Thanks and sorry for not having pics Iíll be heading back to my familyís place in several weeks and Iíll update as I get pics and hopefully some progress done
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Old 07-18-2018, 04:45 PM   #2
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If switching from a gas engine set up to a diesel setup the 5.9 would be nowhere near the top of the list of available options I would choose.

No pics yet, but you can use the UserCP and fill out your profile so we can better assist you in answering your questions.
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Old 07-18-2018, 05:54 PM   #3
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Thanks for the fast response, Iím located in the South West part of the USA, Iím using tapatalk phone app so Iím not sure how to update my profile..... again any history information or also any easy engine swaps please educate me thanks
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Old 07-18-2018, 06:14 PM   #4
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The 5.9 cummins is a great engine and well suited to a small bus. However it s likely that it may be a bit long to fit between the firewall and radiator. I have had several and still have a few in trucks including a Gradall, and have had very good luck with them.
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Old 07-18-2018, 06:25 PM   #5
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The 5.9 cummins is a great engine and well suited to a small bus. However it s likely that it may be a bit long to fit between the firewall and radiator. I have had several and still have a few in trucks including a Gradall, and have had very good luck with them.
Never said it was a bad engine. If you were doing a swap and needed a new motor, would the 5.9 be your first choice if it wasn't what was in it?
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You guys are awesome with the replies!! Thanks.... as for the future with a diesel swap and whatnot thatíd be great to get advice on that later when Iím ready for it, right now Iím only looking at easy engine swaps that wonít cost a lot of $$, my plan as of right now is to attempt to repair the 287 and get that running, but if someone has any easy engine swaps that I can do instead, it might save me time... Iím really wanting to get the bus up and running/driving ASAP so I can get the other work done on it, then later, maybe next summer do an engine swap for a diesel but at least I can drive it and work on it over the winter, if I donít get it running before winter Iíll have to wait for a while after to be able to get to it again
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Since it's been in the family and you want to keep it, as opposed to getting a bus to use for whatever purpose you have planned, I would rebuild or fix the stock engine. I'm sure that would be WAY cheaper than doing a full diesel swap. Who knows, it might be something minor to get the old motor running.
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Actually yes. Let me explain. My bus has not run in years and when I got it I did not know if the engine was good or not. So I had it in my mind to convert to the 5.9 if need be. Similer power to the original engine, and I like them as well

As it turns out the engine is free(not stuck) has good compression, and with the oil pan off I can see the cylinder walls and they still have the cross hatching from honing on them. The odometer says 16,500 miles. I had wondered if that was real or over one or more times. My bus was converted when new, so never was a school bus.Based on engine condition I believe it is original miles.

So long way of saying I am sticking with the original engine. Besides I like international gas engines, have had a few of them and they served me well.

I do think you are correct in seeing what his engine needs, it could well be minor to get it running.

Things to think about on the engine the bus has, Is it a commen engine, or an oddball? once running unless it needs major repairs how does it do in terms of power. How is the gearing 45 tops? or great, 70 all day with plenty of power? This will give some better idea of direction to go.

Cheap and easy swap, small bock chevy.... Not what I would do but if you will not put many miles on it it could work out well.

A 1950's hemi....would be right at home in it. And there is a truck version of the Hemi. Not sure but think they are about 330 cubic inches
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Old 07-18-2018, 07:17 PM   #9
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I am assuming the pontiac engine is not original? Would be odd in a Dodge
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Yea I donít know much about the bus other than it was my grandfathers whoís long passed R.I.P.... the engine in it currently is a V8 Strato Streak with a Carter Carburetor which is actually the only pic I do have of the bus is the dirty valve cover haha, Iím not sure what Cubic Inch exactly it is, from my knowledge the Strato Streak came out for 3 years, and 3 different displacements.... I hear these engines are oddballs and can cost a decent penny to rebuild? And I would assume itís not the original engine, I can see the yellow original paint and school bus writing on the top coming through the cheap aftermarket paint job so I feel confident it was a school bus prior to being converted to rv.... my guess is itís the 287 Pontiac but I guess it could be the possible other 2 displacements the Strato Streak came in... anyone know an easy way to determine engine displacement from the early Pontiac engines?IMG_8750.jpg
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