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04-29-2017, 05:16 PM
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Mini-Skoolie
Join Date: Feb 2017
Posts: 22
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We got our first Bus!
We got a 1983 International Harvester Wayne Lifeguard school bus.
It's in great condition. Low miles!!
Does anyone know where to find some documentation on these buses?
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04-29-2017, 05:32 PM
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Bus Geek
Join Date: Feb 2016
Location: Willamina, Oregon
Posts: 6,409
Coachwork: 97 Bluebird TC1000 5.9
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Congratulations, and it's already painted. That saves a lot of work.
It's getting increasingly harder to find documentation on the older buses. Best bet is to get a copy of the available literature from someone with a similar bus. Someone should speak up in the near future.
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04-29-2017, 05:55 PM
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Mini-Skoolie
Join Date: Feb 2017
Posts: 22
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Thanks for the quick reply! I will wait and see who speaks up. haah
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04-29-2017, 06:21 PM
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Bus Geek
Join Date: May 2009
Location: Columbus Ohio
Posts: 18,830
Year: 1991
Coachwork: Carpenter
Chassis: International 3800
Engine: DTA360 / MT643
Rated Cap: 7 Row Handicap
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its a wayne!! I love old Waynes!!
-Christopher
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04-29-2017, 06:39 PM
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Bus Crazy
Join Date: Oct 2015
Location: Spring Valley AZ
Posts: 1,343
Year: 2000
Coachwork: Bluebird
Engine: 5.9 Cummins
Rated Cap: 2 elderly children, 1 cat
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Cool...A Wayne named John.
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04-29-2017, 10:23 PM
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Bus Crazy
Join Date: May 2010
Location: Farmington Hills, Mi (Detroit area)
Posts: 1,968
Year: 2000
Coachwork: Eldorado Aerotech 24'
Chassis: Ford E-450 Cutaway Bus
Engine: 7.3L Powerstroke
Rated Cap: 19
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Originally Posted by 2kool4skool
cool...a wayne named john.
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yes!!!!!!!!!
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04-29-2017, 11:52 PM
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Bus Crazy
Join Date: Jul 2011
Location: Winlcok, WA
Posts: 2,233
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Any IC Bus or Navistar Truck dealer should be able to get you the Line Setting Ticket for the chassis. The LST is the birth certificate for the chassis under your bus and will list everything that was used to make the chassis. Ask for the LST by the VIN.
Wayne/Wayne Wheeled Vehicles went out of business quite some time ago. Unless someone out there has access to the OEM paperwork I think you are going to be SOL in regards to the body.
One nice thing about Wayne buses is by the time the Lifeguard body was in production there was very little that Wayne used that was OEM only. Practically everything was supplied by OEM vendor suppliers. The heaters, fans, blower motors, flashers, switches, relays, etc. were not made by Wayne. About the only thing I can think of that is Wayne specific would be the window frames and latches. But since all of the glass is flat finding any replacement glass is as easy as going to your neighborhood glass shop that deals with automotive glass.
Which engine and transmission does your bus have?
That vintage could have been an SV or MV gas V-8, or one of the diesels-- 9.0L V-8, DT360 I-6, 6.9L/7.3L V-8, or the DT466 I-6.
Transmissions could have been a 4-speed, a 4-speed with a 2-speed rear end, a 5-speed, a 5-speed with a 2-speed rear end, a 5-speed with 5th OD, or an Allison AT540 series or MT640 series automatic.
If it has hydraulic brakes it most likely has hyrdraboost off of the power steering with an electric override. It may or may not have disc brakes at all four corners as discs were still optional in the early '80's.
All in all, it looks like a pretty nice bus.
Good luck and happy trails to you!
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04-30-2017, 07:20 AM
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Bus Nut
Join Date: Apr 2017
Location: Ridge Manor, FL
Posts: 311
Year: 1993
Coachwork: Carpenter
Chassis: Ford B600
Engine: Cummins 5.9
Rated Cap: 20 person
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Congratulations and you are going to have fun on your journey
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04-30-2017, 08:23 AM
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Mini-Skoolie
Join Date: Feb 2017
Posts: 22
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Quote:
Originally Posted by cowlitzcoach
Any IC Bus or Navistar Truck dealer should be able to get you the Line Setting Ticket for the chassis. The LST is the birth certificate for the chassis under your bus and will list everything that was used to make the chassis. Ask for the LST by the VIN.
Wayne/Wayne Wheeled Vehicles went out of business quite some time ago. Unless someone out there has access to the OEM paperwork I think you are going to be SOL in regards to the body.
One nice thing about Wayne buses is by the time the Lifeguard body was in production there was very little that Wayne used that was OEM only. Practically everything was supplied by OEM vendor suppliers. The heaters, fans, blower motors, flashers, switches, relays, etc. were not made by Wayne. About the only thing I can think of that is Wayne specific would be the window frames and latches. But since all of the glass is flat finding any replacement glass is as easy as going to your neighborhood glass shop that deals with automotive glass.
Which engine and transmission does your bus have?
That vintage could have been an SV or MV gas V-8, or one of the diesels-- 9.0L V-8, DT360 I-6, 6.9L/7.3L V-8, or the DT466 I-6.
Transmissions could have been a 4-speed, a 4-speed with a 2-speed rear end, a 5-speed, a 5-speed with a 2-speed rear end, a 5-speed with 5th OD, or an Allison AT540 series or MT640 series automatic.
If it has hydraulic brakes it most likely has hyrdraboost off of the power steering with an electric override. It may or may not have disc brakes at all four corners as discs were still optional in the early '80's.
All in all, it looks like a pretty nice bus.
Good luck and happy trails to you!
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cowlitzcoach: Thanks for the info. I believe it is the 7.3L V-8 with 5 speed manual w/2 spd OD rear end. The motor and trans and all electrical seem to be in pretty good condition. Everything works! The only thing I would love to swap out is the 2 piece_tube style
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04-30-2017, 08:28 AM
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Mini-Skoolie
Join Date: Feb 2017
Posts: 22
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Thanks! We are so excited. We already have the seats out and center strip.. on to pulling the rest of the rubber!
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04-30-2017, 08:53 AM
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Bus Nut
Join Date: Oct 2015
Posts: 340
Year: 2003
Chassis: E-450
Engine: 7.3 Turbo
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Quote:
Originally Posted by cowlitzcoach
Any IC Bus or Navistar Truck dealer should be able to get you the Line Setting Ticket for the chassis. The LST is the birth certificate for the chassis under your bus and will list everything that was used to make the chassis. Ask for the LST by the VIN.
Wayne/Wayne Wheeled Vehicles went out of business quite some time ago. Unless someone out there has access to the OEM paperwork I think you are going to be SOL in regards to the body.
One nice thing about Wayne buses is by the time the Lifeguard body was in production there was very little that Wayne used that was OEM only. Practically everything was supplied by OEM vendor suppliers. The heaters, fans, blower motors, flashers, switches, relays, etc. were not made by Wayne. About the only thing I can think of that is Wayne specific would be the window frames and latches. But since all of the glass is flat finding any replacement glass is as easy as going to your neighborhood glass shop that deals with automotive glass.
Which engine and transmission does your bus have?
That vintage could have been an SV or MV gas V-8, or one of the diesels-- 9.0L V-8, DT360 I-6, 6.9L/7.3L V-8, or the DT466 I-6.
Transmissions could have been a 4-speed, a 4-speed with a 2-speed rear end, a 5-speed, a 5-speed with a 2-speed rear end, a 5-speed with 5th OD, or an Allison AT540 series or MT640 series automatic.
If it has hydraulic brakes it most likely has hyrdraboost off of the power steering with an electric override. It may or may not have disc brakes at all four corners as discs were still optional in the early '80's.
All in all, it looks like a pretty nice bus.
Good luck and happy trails to you!
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Even though I know how knowledgeable you are, your posts consistently impress me.
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04-30-2017, 11:21 AM
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Bus Geek
Join Date: Mar 2011
Location: Houston, Texas
Posts: 8,462
Year: 1946
Coachwork: Chevrolet/Wayne
Chassis: 1- 1/2 ton
Engine: Cummins 4BT
Rated Cap: 15
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Welcome to the Madhouse! --- Nice looking Wayne. Mines a bit older but Wayne was in business since before the Civil War. Shame they went away. Seems everything will be run by one big company before long.
Think Umbrella Corporation...
Anyhow...best of luck with the build.
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04-30-2017, 11:32 AM
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Mini-Skoolie
Join Date: Feb 2017
Posts: 22
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Thanks! I would love an older one like yours but I do need a little more room!! Thats a good looking bus you got.
Happy Travels!
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04-30-2017, 08:04 PM
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Bus Crazy
Join Date: Jul 2011
Location: Winlcok, WA
Posts: 2,233
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Quote:
Originally Posted by phantom1972
cowlitzcoach: Thanks for the info. I believe it is the 7.3L V-8 with 5 speed manual w/2 spd OD rear end. The motor and trans and all electrical seem to be in pretty good condition. Everything works! The only thing I would love to swap out is the 2 piece_tube style
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You have a 5th direct transmission if 5th is down and to the right. You have a 5th OD if 5th is up and to the right.
2-speed rear ends do not give you OD. 2-speed rear ends give you a gear split in each gear. The shift pattern is usually 1-lo, 1-hi, 2-lo, 2-hi, 3-lo, 3-hi, 4-lo, 4-hi, 5-hi. Usually 1st gear is a deep low gear used for starting with a load on a hill. 4th and 5th gear are usually close enough that when splitting with a 2-speed rear end 4-hi is a faster gear than 5-lo.
Whatever you do, NEVER, EVER downshift a 2-speed while going downhill. It is very easy for a 2-speed to hang up between hi and lo which would leave you in no gear while going downhill.
I am not sure exactly to what you are referring as a 2-piece tube style unless it is tires. In most cases, it will cost less to purchase new/used one piece tubeless wheels and tires than to purchase a new tube and tube type tire and have them mounted on a 2-piece lock ring wheel.
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04-30-2017, 08:30 PM
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Skoolie
Join Date: Feb 2016
Location: Bemidji MN
Posts: 209
Year: 1998
Coachwork: Carpenter Body
Chassis: International 3800
Engine: DT466
Rated Cap: 65 to Zero. Folding Chair
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Cool! Very nice bus, congrats and welcome.
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98 International
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05-01-2017, 07:53 PM
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Mini-Skoolie
Join Date: Feb 2017
Posts: 22
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oh boy.. I have a lot to learn. Thanks for the education on this.. I really appreciate the input.
On the transmission. I will trust what you say because the guy that sold it to me was trying to explain it and lost focus so .. the way you explained it makes much more sense. Thanks.
And on the tires.. Yes.. two piece tube style rims. Do you know the direct replacement wheel size for those? That is what I want to do first is switch out those old wheels and tires.
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05-01-2017, 08:19 PM
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Bus Geek
Join Date: Feb 2016
Location: Willamina, Oregon
Posts: 6,409
Coachwork: 97 Bluebird TC1000 5.9
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Go to a medium duty truck wrecking yard to get solid wheels. Mine were $50 per rim.
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Nobody's Business
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05-01-2017, 08:24 PM
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Bus Geek
Join Date: Sep 2014
Location: Eustis FLORIDA
Posts: 23,764
Year: 1999
Coachwork: Thomas
Chassis: Freighliner FS65
Engine: Cat 3126
Rated Cap: 15
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Can even get new steel wheels for not too much money.
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05-01-2017, 08:25 PM
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Mini-Skoolie
Join Date: Feb 2017
Posts: 22
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Robin97396
Go to a medium duty truck wrecking yard to get solid wheels. Mine were $50 per rim.
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Sounds like a great place to start. Thanks!
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05-01-2017, 08:30 PM
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Bus Crazy
Join Date: May 2016
Location: Georgia
Posts: 2,264
Year: 2001
Coachwork: Blue Bird
Chassis: IH
Engine: T444E
Rated Cap: 14
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Quote:
Originally Posted by phantom1972
cowlitzcoach: Thanks for the info. I believe it is the 7.3L V-8 with 5 speed manual w/2 spd OD rear end. The motor and trans and all electrical seem to be in pretty good condition. Everything works! The only thing I would love to swap out is the 2 piece_tube style
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The 7.3 was formally introduced for the '88 model year, it was a redesign of the 6.9 because it could not meet '88 emissions, and the 7.3 replaced the 9.0 (which was discontinued for the same emissions reason). If it really is a 7.3, it was likely swapped at some point, otherwise it's most likely a 6.9 or 9.0
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