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Old 06-14-2018, 12:33 AM   #1
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2001 blue bird Re 8.3 Cummins with problems

Hey Fellas,

I have been looking for a bus for a while and one just down the road is going up for auction. It's pretty much exactly what I want except for it has less of power. I talked to the guy at the school and he said they changed the fuel pump and not long after it started. He thinks possibly the rings are washed due to fuel being dumped into the cylinder/s. I think it has a md 3060 transmission but not totally sure. What would be the max I should pay for something like this. He said it starts n runs. You can even get it to highway speeds but it struggles on long hills.
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Old 06-14-2018, 06:11 AM   #2
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Is it so super cheap that you can buy it and overhaul the engine and still come out ahead?

The 8.3 + md3060 is a good combination, that's the sort of bus people are looking for. But depending on your ability and if you "know somebody" who can do an overhaul, that is a big, expensive job. It sounds like they haven't really diagnosed the issue but the fuel pump story sounds like someone doesn't know what they're talking about.

Also, if it's a TC2000, that's gonna be a $5000 bus in good running condition with good features. If it's a BAA it could be worth as much as double that.
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Old 06-14-2018, 09:36 AM   #3
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It's an All American. It has around 93,000 miles. It was an Activity Bus for a Community college.

"2001 Blue Bird All American/All Canadian BUS, 8.3L L6 DIESEL. Starts and runs, a/c, automatic transmission, 45 passenger. PLEASE NOTE: Engine has loss of power. Loss of power is believed to be caused by a faulty fuel pump that was replaced and washed the piston rings. "
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Old 06-14-2018, 09:49 AM   #4
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The BBAA is the premium model from Bluebird but if there's an unknown engine problem you have to assume it's "bad motor" and neither trivial nor inexpensive to repair. If it was easy it would already be fixed! So it comes down to the price, if it's super cheap it might be worth pursuing but it needs to be priced right for a bus with a bad motor.
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Old 06-14-2018, 10:41 AM   #5
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That is a nice looking bus.

I did a little Google-fu and found inframe kits for $1600-1800 labor estimates of around 40 hours.

The local independent diesel shop here charges around $100/hour.

Guestimate: $6000.

If you got it for scrap value and rebuilt the engine you would have a great bus.

Opinions vary but I think that an A3RE with 93000 miles and a fresh inframe for $7000 would be a fair deal.
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Old 06-14-2018, 10:45 AM   #6
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I wonder what they mean by "washed the piston rings." Did it dump so much fuel for so long that the cylinder walls were kept washed and caused massively accelerated wear of the walls and the rings? Maybe to the point that the rings aren't really working anymore? If this were the case I imagine an oil analysis would reveal high quantities of fuel mixed with the oil. Maybe the exhaust would be smoky too from incomplete combustion due to low cylinder pressures, but I don't know.

My 1999 and 2000 buses both have the CAPS fuel injection system. I don't know whether this 2001 would have CAPS or the common rail injection system, but I can tell you from experience that CAPS pump parts aren't cheap. It cost me US$1200 for a remanufactured injection control valve for one of mine -- and that was just the one module, no labor or anything else.

If you have some tolerance for risk, ability to work on it yourself, and the price is right for the risk you'll be taking, it could work out for you.
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Old 06-14-2018, 10:59 AM   #7
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My 2002 has the CAPS pump.

I am fairly certain that the 2001 does as well.
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That is a nice looking bus.

I did a little Google-fu and found inframe kits for $1600-1800 labor estimates of around 40 hours.

The local independent diesel shop here charges around $100/hour.

Guestimate: $6000.

If you got it for scrap value and rebuilt the engine you would have a great bus.

Opinions vary but I think that an A3RE with 93000 miles and a fresh inframe for $7000 would be a fair deal.
I'd guesstimate higher.
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Old 06-15-2018, 06:15 AM   #9
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They had the transmission type wrong. I called the guy and he said it's a B 300. Don't know much about that one. I think today I'll call around to some diesel mechanic shops around and get a estimate on how much it'll cost to overhaul it just to have an idea.
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Old 06-15-2018, 07:43 AM   #10
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I talked to a local diesel shop that has a good reputation and the guy told me that they could do is for $4000. He said they just overhauled a bluebird just like that one. He also said i should check the oil first. If there's no diesel in the oil it probably won't need an overhaul. We'll see.
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