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Old 08-04-2009, 07:15 PM   #1
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Tired of being running into republicans everywhere you go? Do Smitty's posts get on your nerves, but you're too chicken to do anything about it? Join the group!

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Old 08-04-2009, 08:33 PM   #2
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While I appreciate that you're trying to keep things somewhat private, the issue of politics has always been a touchy subject and we try and avoid it on this board. At the least do you think you could remove the personal attack from your post?
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Smitty,

If you had a dollar for every cheesy (sorry CheeseWagon!) personal attack, would you have an MCI, a Prevost, or a Marathon coach right now???

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OMG, Not another Demo-smash.

http://www.millennium-ark.net/NEWS/09_F ... eapon.html

http://www.familysecuritymatters.org/pu ... detail.asp

http://www.opencongress.org/bill/111-h2749/show

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/w ... 736785.ece


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So as all know, this was a mere misunderstanding which has been since cleared-up. Group hug
Smitty was a closet democrat! I knew it!
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Old 08-05-2009, 06:40 PM   #7
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....Just wait, I can't- when the great plan comes together. Healthcare- national electronic funds card to access it, if you're caught eating at IHOP too many times you'll be denied coverage.

Enough to make you give up- Patrick Henry is tossing in his grave to be sure...

Still waiting for my baby panda slippers smitty you said 6 to 8 business days
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Old 08-05-2009, 07:35 PM   #8
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....Just wait, I can't- when the great plan comes together. Healthcare- national electronic funds card to access it, if you're caught eating at IHOP too many times you'll be denied coverage.
Actually, one of the provisions is supposed to be that you can't be denied coverage for any reason. What they DO want to do is tax more non-healthy things, like sodas. Not much different than taxes on cigarettes (whether you agree with that tax or not, it's the same basic concept).

Personally, I'd like to see what many consider a socialist healthcare plan. Provide a basic level of care to everyone, regardless of income or ability to pay. If you want additional/better coverage, then you purchase a regular insurance plan. Think of it like Medicare. I see commercials all the time advertising supplemental insurance. Now everyone has healthcare, and if you can afford it you'll purchase an additional private health insurance plan (thus not causing our existing private healthcare system to crumble).

So, scared that you'll have to wait six months just to see a doctor, just to find out that funds have run out until the next fiscal year for the treatment you need? Well, if you can afford additional insurance, it can cover the extra cost to see a doctor now, and the extra cost to start treatment now (until the government health plan kicks in). If you can't afford extra insurance...would you really be worse off in that case than you would be with today's system?

Just my thoughts. Don't expect them to be popular. That's ok, I never was popular.
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Personally, I'd like to see what many consider a socialist healthcare plan. Provide a basic level of care to everyone, regardless of income or ability to pay. If you want additional/better coverage, then you purchase a regular insurance plan. Think of it like Medicare....
Well maybe I'm just a little to logical. What big government run program isn't a disaster? Welfare? Medicare? Medicade? Cash for clunkers? The list goes on... You know one interpretation of insanity is repeating the same behavior and expecting a different result-

I'm going to have to quote one of my dearest heros Patrick Henry- "I know no way of judging the future but by the past." Bearing that in mind, keep the government out of my doctors office, and my dinner plate.

Smitty you carry half sizes? 10.5 wide. Do the little faces stare up at you, can't wait to throw on my seal skin coat, and see if I can rub my feet on the polarbear skin and shock everyone.
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Jose- What you mention sounds like socialism. Government run healthcare, telling the people what they can eat, Barrys little brownshirts will likely be waiters in every eatery so they can report directly to the "Coronary Czar" .

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I don't see it as "telling people what they can eat". They tax an extra bit on unhealthy foods, because people eating those foods are going to need more expensive health care. Three cents per can really isn't that much. Now, I'm not so naive as to think that tax wouldn't ever be raised, or that all that money will be used just for healthcare. I'm sure it won't be long until people are running to Mexico to bring back some duty-free Pepsi.

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Well maybe I'm just a little to logical. What big government run program isn't a disaster? Welfare? Medicare? Medicade? Cash for clunkers? The list goes on... You know one interpretation of insanity is repeating the same behavior and expecting a different result-
The numbers for Medicare aren't that bad. Sure there's lots of wasteful spending, but it's more efficient than any health insurance provider I've seen numbers on. Welfare...I think it could be revamped. Idea's good, but we need to get those who can work, to work! Don't care if it's just digging holes and then filling them back in (though really, there's plenty of REAL work that needs to be done, that we could get people on welfare to do; perhaps man phones in the unemployment offices?). Cash for Clunkers...depends on whether you think the car companies need a bailout, and whether the government should spend money on environmental issues. If you say yes to both, then it's a runaway success! Car companies are selling cars like hotcakes, and these gas guzzlers are being replaced by more fuel efficient vehicles. If you don't agree with either, then yeah, it's another waste of money (but no more so than just handing the money over to GM and Chrysler).
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Jose- Yeah, 3 cents now....look what they're doing to tobacco. It's controlling what one consumes via cost, be it tax or product. Gov taxes, others goods will follow. Entitlements are back-asswards, people who need/deserve them can't get 'em. Every baby-momma or leech who just doesn't want to work is golden.

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Like I said...I'm not so stupid as to think it'd stay at 3 cents...but it's the same as the cigarette tax. If you're ok with one, then the other should be no big deal. If you're raising hell over both, then there ya go.

I do think that we should offer healthcare to those who can't afford it, even if they're just lazy. Maybe even basic food, but nothing fancy. Stuff so bad that they'll have to use that "free" healthcare. Ramen noodles for breakfast, lunch, and supper, along with a vitamin supplement. Now if you're truly disabled, then ok, you can get welfare. If you can't find a job, we'll find one for you. You get to earn your welfare dollars, not just have it handed to you on a silver platter.

Sometimes I wish my wife would be let go from her job. It'd sure be nice to sit back and enjoy unemployment for a while, get some free healthcare, maybe foodstamps while we're at it. She either has a job with virtually no hours (that's when we could use a boost), or a job with plenty of hours and they want to keep her as long as she'd stay. Ah well. I guess this family gets to keep working for their money, and subsidize those who sit around all day watching Oprah and Dr. Phil. I swear, if my mother-in-law tells my wife that "Dr. Phil said...." one more time....
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I hear ya, and agree with every point you make Jose- problem is theory is great relaity is not. The problems don't come until the lobists get involved- then the riders start, then the knee jerk reactionaries start in. Soon what started as a great idea turns into a diaster. How many times do we have to see this happen until we say enough is enough? This is nothing new Roosevelt's "New deal" Started out good- now is partly to blame for the state of things now.

The US government are masters at closing the barn door after the horse has left- these car companies would never have needed a bailout in the first place had in 1978 these car companies done what Jimmy Carter(a great man in my view) wanted- make cars with better MPG than the imports!! Real easy, but he(Carter) had a filibuster starting, the rebs pressured to bail Iaococca out. We all know why- the rebublicans are too deep in the oil companies pockets and gas guzzeling cars mean more profit thus more kick backs. Thus rewarding failure and penalize success, seems the new American standard.

I hear ya on the state of things- your statement
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Sometimes I wish my wife would be let go from her job. It'd sure be nice to sit back and enjoy unemployment for a while, get some free healthcare, maybe foodstamps while we're at it.
This is exactly what socialism (or big government programs) does to people. This is why the Soviets system broke down- human nature. Things would be great if we did what we said- but humans just don't. We only preform under pressure- take world war two, the greatest generation why? They had to, they didn't want to we tried not to. Post 911 what happened to that American pride? We lost interest, because things are going ok- for now. (Of course we wouldn't have had a 911 had Clinton not been under impeachment when for 11 hours we knew where Bin Laden was, but he could not aurthorize a missile strike and we missed him by 2 hours)
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[quote="Duckf00t"]The US government are masters at closing the barn door after the horse has left- these car companies would never have needed a bailout in the first place had in 1978 these car companies done what Jimmy Carter(a great man in my view) wanted- make cars with better MPG than the imports!! Real easy, but he(Carter) had a filibuster starting, the rebs pressured to bail Iaococca out. We all know why- the rebublicans are too deep in the oil companies pockets and gas guzzeling cars mean more profit thus more kick backs. Thus rewarding failure and penalize success, seems the new American standard. quote]

IMHO, there are much more powerful people/groups controlling every facett of our (and the worlds) lives than most realize. Our "two party" system is a farce. It used to work, but no longer. It does give the public someone to blame and throw off suspicion from where it should be directed. "The republicans did this, The democrats did that."
Isn't it the Dem's who are bailing out big motor/gas guzzle companies? See what I mean?
Big oil, Pharmaceutical companies, Military contractors,The new "think green" companies. It's a big list, with big money, and it's not about the money as much as the power and control that money brings. The Elitists have been around for a long, long time. We are just the fodder to be kept compaicent by little farkles dangled in front of us. Always just out of reach. The one thing is.....We still have it better than most all other countries in the world. GOD bless America, even if the public is dumbed down to the point of lemmings.

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Love ya right back Smitty!

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I don't much care for either of the two leading parties though.

LIBERTARIAN!!!

The fed should oversee the US Armed forces and deliver the mail. Everything else should be left to state and local control. Why send all of our money to Washington just so they can play with it and send some of it back??

Just keep it at home in the first place and save it a trip!!
I'm with ya on that. If other parties would recieve the same media coverage they might have a chance. I think election dollars should have a cap on them, and equal, free air time to all cantidates, no matter what party. You should not be able to buy the presidentcy. AND the voter must speak english and pass a short literacy test.

Yes, more state control. Wyoming said "this is what we are going to do" on several issues over the years. The Feds came back and said. Not a problem, but we'll cut off all highway funding."

It takes taxes to keep OUR country going, but it pisses me off everytime I hear Hillary just gave another country 400 million in aid. She's not the only one, been going on for years. Take care of our own and piss on the unappreciative countries that just want our money.

War? go in to win, kick their ass and leave. Be like the Borg. resistance is futile. You will become part of our collective. No wait the borg were king of socialists wer'nt they. Ok this .......we won, whats your is now ours, no we won't rebuild your country.

AAARRRRGGGGHHHH
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I'm with ya Vanguy I vote across all kinds of lines... voted Ross Perot, Nader, Clinton, Reagan... hell I was really pulling for Hilary- why not 233 years of men screwing it up. Vote Libertarian 99% of the time.

Mr King- I like Lewis Black's idea for election:
Get a monkey, a blindfolded guy throw a dart at the map of the US wherever it hits have the monkey fly over in a plane wearing a parachute. Push him out when over that spot- the first person's hand that the monkey touches is the new president....it's about as reliable as the electoral college

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