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Old 05-10-2019, 06:22 PM   #1
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ANOTHER question !:(

I realise that when buying a diesel bus it's wise to buy 2003 or older to avoid some very expensive pitfalls - but that same thing wouldn't hold true on a gas burner? - newer might be an advantage? - for my purpose, I would prefer a gas powered or even propane powered bus over diesel
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Old 05-10-2019, 06:30 PM   #2
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Thought you pulled the trigger on that green & white LP powered unit?
What happened, if you care to share?
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Old 05-10-2019, 06:41 PM   #3
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Most commercial or common gasoline engines found in a bus are pretty reliable and not cursed with the diesel emission standards like EGR coolers, DEF systems, etc
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Old 05-10-2019, 06:43 PM   #4
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Thought you pulled the trigger on that green & white LP powered unit?
What happened, if you care to share?
that went south when he couldn't give me a valid VIN# - and wanted the bus towed off his lot before I had a chance to get up and see if it would start, or hire a mechanic if I needed one - I wasn't about to hire a tow to another storage facility or heavy duty shop without being there to decide what was the best way to go - he said he was going to get a friend of his that knew buses to see if he could get it started, but haven't heard back in days - you can buy a LOT of trouble for $500 - $600 - lol - I had a friend look at another bus with a reworked motor, transmission, rear end, drive shaft that sounded good online - turned out to be a real mess - the camper conversion would have to be stripped and started with fresh everything - no point paying for a conversion that has to be completely converted, and the owner couldn't be bothered to put some fuel in it so my friend could hear/see it run
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Old 05-10-2019, 07:14 PM   #5
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Most commercial or common gasoline engines found in a bus are pretty reliable and not cursed with the diesel emission standards like EGR coolers, DEF systems, etc
thanks Johnny, that's what I was thinking - nice to get confirmation on a random thought
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Old 05-10-2019, 07:32 PM   #6
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Gassers got a lot tougher to find starting in the mid 80s when navistar decided to nix their gas engines.. GMC keptcthe 454 and 366 going in full chassis busses at least through the mid- late 90s..
van cutaway busses were made along with gas or diesel options and many were purchased as gas.. so you can find the 5.7 and 6.0 van busses pretty readily. Ford also kept them going in cutaway form with the 5.4 and the triton v10.. older units with 460s floating around too.
P30 chassis stuff also kept the gas engine as well.

Now brand new busses are being made as gasoline again with the new bluebird gas bus. The IC 8.8 and the new ford 7.3(gasoline)..
there will be an unfortunate time for awhile in skoolie building where emissions busses will be the only things being sold once the pre 05 and pre 08 stuff is sold off and before the brand new gas busses (which are seeing quite an uptick in adoption by schools)...
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Old 05-10-2019, 07:35 PM   #7
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that went south when he couldn't give me a valid VIN# - and wanted the bus towed off his lot before I had a chance to get up and see if it would start, or hire a mechanic if I needed one - I wasn't about to hire a tow to another storage facility or heavy duty shop without being there to decide what was the best way to go - he said he was going to get a friend of his that knew buses to see if he could get it started, but haven't heard back in days - you can buy a LOT of trouble for $500 - $600 - lol - I had a friend look at another bus with a reworked motor, transmission, rear end, drive shaft that sounded good online - turned out to be a real mess - the camper conversion would have to be stripped and started with fresh everything - no point paying for a conversion that has to be completely converted, and the owner couldn't be bothered to put some fuel in it so my friend could hear/see it run
I guess another will have be found to let you neek up on your comptitors...
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Old 05-10-2019, 07:40 PM   #8
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Gassers got a lot tougher to find starting in the mid 80s when navistar decided to nix their gas engines.. GMC keptcthe 454 and 366 going in full chassis busses at least through the mid- late 90s..
van cutaway busses were made along with gas or diesel options and many were purchased as gas.. so you can find the 5.7 and 6.0 van busses pretty readily. Ford also kept them going in cutaway form with the 5.4 and the triton v10.. older units with 460s floating around too.
P30 chassis stuff also kept the gas engine as well.

Now brand new busses are being made as gasoline again with the new bluebird gas bus. The IC 8.8 and the new ford 7.3(gasoline)..
there will be an unfortunate time for awhile in skoolie building where emissions busses will be the only things being sold once the pre 05 and pre 08 stuff is sold off and before the brand new gas busses (which are seeing quite an uptick in adoption by schools)...

this week there were 4 buses in Saskatchewan, all on propane, one with the 8.1 ( l believe it was ) GM motor, and the other 3 with 454's in them - all at very reasonable prices - time and money constraints kept me from bidding on one of the 454's - the 8.1 was gone before I received notice it was for sale - lol - l'm guessing they were being sold by a school board or a transportation contractor
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there will be an unfortunate time for awhile in skoolie building where emissions busses will be the only things being sold once the pre 05 and pre 08 stuff is sold off and before the brand new gas busses (which are seeing quite an uptick in adoption by schools)...

I feel like we're there right now - especially on the short buses. The only short buses I see for sale right now (just about ANYWHERE) - are all equipped with the VT365.

Cutaway-style buses are a dime a dozen right now.


I think the transportation companies looked at the options, and either shrunk to the cutaway vans, or bought bigger full-size buses.
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I feel like we're there right now - especially on the short buses. The only short buses I see for sale right now (just about ANYWHERE) - are all equipped with the VT365.

Cutaway-style buses are a dime a dozen right now.


I think the transportation companies looked at the options, and either shrunk to the cutaway vans, or bought bigger full-size buses.
I'm finding short buses when I look. I've had to hold off since buying my truck, though. Just passed up some CHEAP minty shorties with DT's.
You guys are right though. The GOOD buses are drying up.
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