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Old 04-25-2016, 11:31 AM   #11
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I "BELIEVE" (someone please confirm) that a more "regular" towing service can tow an E-350 based bus as well.. you likely wont need the 'Top gun" towing services...

I used to tow cars and trucks for a living. Not a great living, but that is off topic. I could put a F-350 dual rear wheel on the rollback of an International 433 to tow a pretty sizable distance. the outer wheels of the dual rear wheel setup would ride up the bed rails on the roll-back, but it would go down the road just the same. That old International was a dependable truck, but slow as molasses. Didn't matter what you were towing, it was always slow.

We also had two recovery trucks, an F-800 recovery truck and a SuperDuty Ford pickup based unit. We would haul anything and everything with the F-8, so long as we didn't have to worry about air brakes. The F-8 would haul the big bucket trucks for the telephone company without breaking a sweat. The telephone company motor pool folks would have to disable the air brakes on the trucks, as again, we wouldn't touch them.

I can't say what sort of equipment most tow shops would have, my experience is anecdotal at best. But the shops in my town would have multiple trucks for multiple purposes. I would suppose that our shop, with two trucks capable of moving your 350-based skoolie, would be the norm.

We would call our big-rig based buddies for anything that came through our shop that we couldn't pull. We would ask a slight referral fee from our partner shop, as they would do the same for calls routed through us. Small, btw, is being generous. Never much money in the towing business after you account for the cost of equipment, insurance and labor.

The big haulers would definitely be need to be called for the larger of our skoolie trucks, but the E-350 could probably be handled by most towing shops without much trouble.
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Old 04-25-2016, 01:08 PM   #12
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I used to tow cars and trucks for a living. Not a great living, but that is off topic. I could put a F-350 dual rear wheel on the rollback of an International 433 to tow a pretty sizable distance. the outer wheels of the dual rear wheel setup would ride up the bed rails on the roll-back, but it would go down the road just the same. That old International was a dependable truck, but slow as molasses. Didn't matter what you were towing, it was always slow.

We also had two recovery trucks, an F-800 recovery truck and a SuperDuty Ford pickup based unit. We would haul anything and everything with the F-8, so long as we didn't have to worry about air brakes. The F-8 would haul the big bucket trucks for the telephone company without breaking a sweat. The telephone company motor pool folks would have to disable the air brakes on the trucks, as again, we wouldn't touch them.

I can't say what sort of equipment most tow shops would have, my experience is anecdotal at best. But the shops in my town would have multiple trucks for multiple purposes. I would suppose that our shop, with two trucks capable of moving your 350-based skoolie, would be the norm.

We would call our big-rig based buddies for anything that came through our shop that we couldn't pull. We would ask a slight referral fee from our partner shop, as they would do the same for calls routed through us. Small, btw, is being generous. Never much money in the towing business after you account for the cost of equipment, insurance and labor.

The big haulers would definitely be need to be called for the larger of our skoolie trucks, but the E-350 could probably be handled by most towing shops without much trouble.
isnt one of the reasons the "top-guns" hav e to be called for the larger skoolies is to keep air pumped into the service valve of the air brakes? obviously if you blow a rear brake cylinder you are screwed anyway but in generalI was thinking no one would tow an air brake bus because of the fact that at any time the spring brakes could apply unless air was pumped in?

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isnt one of the reasons the "top-guns" hav e to be called for the larger skoolies is to keep air pumped into the service valve of the air brakes? obviously if you blow a rear brake cylinder you are screwed anyway but in generalI was thinking no one would tow an air brake bus because of the fact that at any time the spring brakes could apply unless air was pumped in?

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Hey CADILACKID, who are you? Lol, it seems that you know a lot and have a lot of experience, thank you for very wise and honest information.

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Old 04-25-2016, 01:59 PM   #14
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Hey CADILACKID, who are you? Lol, it seems that you know a lot and have a lot of experience, thank you for very wise and honest information.

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ha! im just a long-time Hot-rodder, former professional HVAC engineer, current Biz Partner and telecom developer... for fun I build stuff.. (HVAC, circuits, software, hardware, etc)..

Bus-wise I drove them empty for a delivery company many years ago... always been fascinated by school busses.. (just ask my poor junior high and high school bus driver...)..

I like to learn and believe in sharing information and learning new stuff on things I dont know.. trust me I have LOTS to learn...

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Not that it's any difficult thing to maintain air pressure in the towed vehicle... that's standard operation for tractor trailer rigs after all. Probably it's rare to have air brakes on anything light enough to be handled by the smaller hauler, so it doesn't make sense to spend money equipping the lighter hauler for operating an air-braked trailer/towed. Likewise for the training of the driver of the lighter hauler, who'd practice the skills only infrequently and be more prone to making a mistake even if the towing truck were equipped.

I had to have my skoolie towed once and chose to flat tow it. Keeping air in the brakes wasn't hard at all; we just had to pull over about every 5th time the brake was used to recharge the air tanks with a portable compressor.
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isnt one of the reasons the "top-guns" hav e to be called for the larger skoolies is to keep air pumped into the service valve of the air brakes? obviously if you blow a rear brake cylinder you are screwed anyway but in generalI was thinking no one would tow an air brake bus because of the fact that at any time the spring brakes could apply unless air was pumped in?

-Christopher
Two reasons to call the big guys, GCVW and Air Brakes.

You can, and a lot of outfits do, "Cage" the air brakes to release them for a tow. You can also put air from the lead vehicle through to the towed vehicle to compress the system and release the spring brakes.


Watch this video, it will enlighten you about the braking system.
https://youtu.be/Tj76w82IRTA

Our company did not want our drivers to be responsible for screwing this up, as we did not hire the sharpest folks around.

If the bus is light enough, our F8 could legally haul it if the air brakes were caged. We had a weight limit we could not cross as none of the drivers had CDL's.
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I feel as if I've been Rick rolled... but with fertilizer??
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Ditto. It seems there is, basically, advertising set up disguised as popular Skoolie links on a number of threads recently.
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I feel as if I've been Rick rolled... but with fertilizer??


I have no idea what went wrong.

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