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Old 07-29-2019, 03:21 PM   #1
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So Iíve got a question about what kind of bus I should buy, I know I want it to be a 90 passenger, front engine bus. I also want it to be able to drive on the freeway and a bit in the mountains. What type of engine and transmission should I look for?
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Old 07-29-2019, 03:59 PM   #2
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I'd be interested in hearing your reasons for a front engine?
Rear engine is quieter, easier to work on, and puts less heat inside while you're driving.
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Old 07-29-2019, 04:19 PM   #3
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I'd be interested in hearing your reasons for a front engine?
Rear engine is quieter, easier to work on, and puts less heat inside while you're driving.
note when shopping that a 90 pass and an 84 are the same length. I prefer a front engine because it can be cheaper to repair.. cools more efficiently while driving... and leaves the noise and exhaust out of the back of the bus where most put beds. Also, I wanted to use the back emergency door of a FE for access to a equipment room I built in the very rear. Most on here would say the DT466 engine with an Allison transmission is the best setup.

Hope this helps. You'll find lots of differing opinions on these topics.
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Old 07-29-2019, 05:20 PM   #4
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Hey Happy,

Could you let us know why an FE would be cheaper to repair?

I have had occasion to get my hands into CE, FE and RE buses. Parts are very similar. Labor is another story. RE's have much better/easier access to the engine compared to FE.

I have to go along with Justkip. In you want less noise, less heat and ease of service take a look at some RE's.

Another benefit is all of the usable space under an RE. Space that is not available on an FE as that space is occupied by the drive shaft.
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If you are going automatic, then make sure it's an Allison MD3060, walk away from the AT545 they are pretty weak.
The 3060 is also a 6 speed, though 6th is prob locked out.
DT466 is a good engine, I've had a truck with one and wouldn't talk bad about it at all.
8.3 Cummins is a good engine as well.

I'd say stay away from CATs, expensive to fool with and don't last anymore.
Also don't go with the 5.9 Cummins, it's to small for a large bus and will be overworked.

I agree with the other guy though, I'd go for a flat nose RE any day, BUT to each his own.
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If you are going automatic, then make sure it's an Allison MD3060, walk away from the AT545 they are pretty weak.
The 3060 is also a 6 speed, though 6th is prob locked out.
DT466 is a good engine, I've had a truck with one and wouldn't talk bad about it at all.
8.3 Cummins is a good engine as well.

I'd say stay away from CATs, expensive to fool with and don't last anymore.
Also don't go with the 5.9 Cummins, it's to small for a large bus and will be overworked.

I agree with the other guy though, I'd go for a flat nose RE any day, BUT to each his own.
Are there any RE's that are not flat nose?
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Are there any RE's that are not flat nose?
I don't believe so, the only reason for the nose on them is for the engine...

Also with the REs you get more room for the step well, mine is straight while those with a doghouse the steps curve and you lose width. Atleast on the ones I've ever seen.
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I wanted to use the back emergency door of a FE for access to a equipment room I built in the very rear.
Nearly all buses built in the last 50 years have some kind of full door emergency exit near the rear, but yeah, there's going to be a big shelf over the engine compartment at the back. Good place for a bed, but if you want a garage, the middle of the bus is definitely less convenient!
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I'd be interested in hearing your reasons for a front engine?
Rear engine is quieter, easier to work on, and puts less heat inside while you're driving.
My reasoning for a front engine is so that I can have a back door to a storage compartment for some bikes and gear
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note when shopping that a 90 pass and an 84 are the same length. I prefer a front engine because it can be cheaper to repair.. cools more efficiently while driving... and leaves the noise and exhaust out of the back of the bus where most put beds. Also, I wanted to use the back emergency door of a FE for access to a equipment room I built in the very rear. Most on here would say the DT466 engine with an Allison transmission is the best setup.

Hope this helps. You'll find lots of differing opinions on these topics.
I did not know 90 and 84 pass were the same length, thanks for that knowledge!
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