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Old 10-27-2015, 10:09 PM   #1
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!!!CHP is riding me seven years later! Need Vehicle Code help!!

I bought a 68' ford superior school bus back in 2008/2009. It's all original; been painted once while in service. I went to DMV and CHP Truck division before I bought it and they both confirmed it's ok for me to personally own a yellow school bus (23' long) and use it personally, not for hire/limo stuff. Well someone turned me in saying I was for hire because they found a pic on facebook with a few friends in front of my bus. Now the Motor Division of CHP tried to bust me for 1) "using a school bus w/o a school contract and 2) providing tours w/o "PUC" authority. I proved to the official that I was not doing any of the above, and won. But he said rules are changing in Calif in 2016 and he needs to still inspect my bus for how many seats, vin verification, etc. He also said I can not have a yellow school bus.

For any that don't know, you can register your commercial vehicle for private/personal use only under VC 27603.

When I purchased my bus, I found in the CA Vehicle Code book stating that I am exempt because my bus is pre 1970. Well, I can not find that code anymore and I do not want to ruin/change my original paint color bus. I also have a 61' chevy wayne 20' long that is hammered that I do have to paint, so this is were I will spend my $$ and time. Does anyone have this VC handy? My eyes are popping out from reading all that fine print page after page!!!

Thanks in advance for any info!!!! Has anyone ran into any prob's with the CHP/etc with an original color/condition vintage school bus in Calif?

Thanks!!!
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Old 10-27-2015, 10:50 PM   #2
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Who did you pissoff that they would turn you in for that?
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Old 10-27-2015, 10:58 PM   #3
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Is there any potential angle involving calling it "antique" or "vintage" or some such thing? Other vehicle equipment is given a pass based on the vehicle age (seat belts for example). Maybe there's a way to classify it such that it qualifies for a color exemption?
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Old 10-28-2015, 01:56 AM   #4
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I would tell them that it has been grandfathered in since it has been licensed
and run that way for over six years. Three years is standard statute of limitations.
When the inspector comes out demand he show you his oath of office and proof
of a bond. The U.S. Supreme Court says all public employees must have an oath of office as proper identification, without an oath of office and a bond he's personally liable and I wouldn't allow him on my property. If he's working for the city of_____ then he's just a corporate employee and not any kind of government agent. Trying
to use color of law against you, which really isn't law or lawful.
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Old 10-28-2015, 03:00 PM   #5
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Family Wagon, that's exactly what I'm asking is for someone who knows the vehicle code exempting me, because of age, from not having to paint my bus.

Capt Insaneo, I think it's probably another limo company that turned me in thinking I was cutting in on their business. Plus the commercial motor guy said he has a friend that just bought a bus and I'm sure he's a limo bus. Commercial motor guy won't answer any of my questions via email; just ignores them and calls me saying that he wants to inspect my bus. It's very fishy.

Dragonpop, I know he's not a peace officer. No badge what's so ever and dresses in plain clothes. He's just a guy doing inspections,etc for the chp truck/commercial division.
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Old 10-28-2015, 03:13 PM   #6
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Can you put decals on both sides/rear of your bus stating...
"PERSONAL USE ONLY/NOT FOR HIRE" ?
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Old 10-28-2015, 03:28 PM   #7
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I could but don't know if it would do any good. The rep is being very suspicious in what he is looking for. He won't send me any paper work or email me his list of what he needs to check. He told me vin verify, insurance and registration. Needs to count the seats, which I told him I take some out when I'm camping, etc. He just hasn't made it clear as to what he is looking for; like he's doing it on the side/after hours.
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Old 10-28-2015, 05:36 PM   #8
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Maybe you could put on the prominent "not for hire" signage in such a way that the other limo guy will be sure to notice it, then go quiet on this CHP guy and test whether he just goes away.
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Old 10-28-2015, 11:15 PM   #9
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Are you in the commercial transport business, not with you school bus but with other vehicles?

Also if they don't have a badge AND any type of writ of authority they can pound sand until they come back with something official and verifiable. This is true of police too. A badge isn't enough, with out a writ or probable cause it is still just harassment. If you have an attorney, I would suggest they take up any questions with them. "Grandfathered in" is a nicety and are not irrevocable, just because you had rights to something does not mean that you always will.

I would also put vinyl decals on the doors that say private coach: not for hire. Yellow paint doesn't sound like the hill to stand and fight on IMO.
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Old 10-28-2015, 11:27 PM   #10
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For any that don't know, you can register your commercial vehicle for private/personal use only under VC 27603.
Not sure what you read but the code you cite doesn't state what you wrote.

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V C Section 27603 Color Required for Former Schoolbus

Color Required for Former Schoolbus

27603. When a motor vehicle formerly used as a schoolbus is sold to any person and is used exclusively for purposes other than the transportation of pupils pursuant to Article 3 (commencing with Section 39830) of Chapter 5 of Part 23 of the Education Code, it shall be painted by the purchaser a color different than that prescribed by the Department of the California Highway Patrol for schoolbuses before it is operated on any street or highway other than to have the vehicle painted or moved to a place of storage.
The provisions of this section shall not apply where the ownership of a schoolbus is transferred to a nonprofit organization under a contractual arrangement under which the ownership is required to be retransferred to the original owner within 90 days of the date of the original transfer.

Amended Ch. 676, Stats. 1980. Effective January 1, 1981.
I have been in the transportation biz in California since 1984. I pay through the nose for everything especially insurance. If I KNOW someone is operating illegally, I WILL RAT THEM OUT, if I have the time. Mainly because I know they are not carrying proper insurance. I only tell you this because I want you to know where I am coming from.

That being said, I will go off of what you said that you are not transporting for hire. I would write a letter to the Motor Carrier Dude and send it certified, registered or whatever they call it with a return receipt. Also find out who is his superior is and copy him. In the letter, ask exactly what he wants, what vehicle codes give him the authority to inspect a private vehicle and why he has chosen you for his butt sniffing expedition. Ask how he specifically singled you out and why. Tell him that you want all communication in writing. Tell him that you will not discuss this matter over the phone until answers your questions in writing. State the you will take this up the chain of command until you receive satisfaction and you feel that you are being singled out for harassment.

That is where I would start. Now if you were fibbing about the for hire thing, you are on your own. No more help from me.
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