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Old 04-30-2016, 10:38 PM   #1
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Do i need to gut the bus?

and then put it back together?

I see the first thing everyone does is gut their bus down do the bare sticks..

I understand why the seats come out and such.. and sometimes sidewalls or ceilings if wanting wood or something to attach to...

im keeping my bus, well alot like a Bus, so I want that metal ceiling metal sidewalls and even some of the seats will stay..

i'll be attaching a couple new seats and a table for a dinette and on the other side will be the A/C, a mini frig and maybe a micro and the technology / electrical rack... then over top of that will be a work table space with foldable short sides (fold up on hnges so stuff cant slide off the table while driving..) and a rollable shade to run across to keep the dust down..

otherwise thats my build.. other than the dashboard and driver control area that will be torn down, rebuilt,repaired, updated.. techno-fied..

trying to figure out if and why I would need to pull down all my ceiling metal, replace the insulation and then put all the ceiling panels back up..

im assuming the only reason people pull them down and re-insulate is because they plan to live (permanent or temporary{camp}) in the bus

whereas I plan to run it more like a mobile Lab and such.. where the only sleeping I do is short naps off the road.. and only living I do is when im working on a project ill be in it a couple hours at a time parked.. otherwise it will be on the road or in storage if im not running it as a lab or taking my friends out for a night on the town.. (what better way to be a DD than take the bus)..

it looks like it would be tough to pull the panels down and then put the same ones back up without damaging them or the screw holes that hold them up... and I really dont want a wood ceiling...

your thoughts??

-Christopher
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and then put it back together?

I see the first thing everyone does is gut their bus down do the bare sticks..

I understand why the seats come out and such.. and sometimes sidewalls or ceilings if wanting wood or something to attach to...

im keeping my bus, well alot like a Bus, so I want that metal ceiling metal sidewalls and even some of the seats will stay..

i'll be attaching a couple new seats and a table for a dinette and on the other side will be the A/C, a mini frig and maybe a micro and the technology / electrical rack... then over top of that will be a work table space with foldable short sides (fold up on hnges so stuff cant slide off the table while driving..) and a rollable shade to run across to keep the dust down..

otherwise thats my build.. other than the dashboard and driver control area that will be torn down, rebuilt,repaired, updated.. techno-fied..

trying to figure out if and why I would need to pull down all my ceiling metal, replace the insulation and then put all the ceiling panels back up..

im assuming the only reason people pull them down and re-insulate is because they plan to live (permanent or temporary{camp}) in the bus

whereas I plan to run it more like a mobile Lab and such.. where the only sleeping I do is short naps off the road.. and only living I do is when im working on a project ill be in it a couple hours at a time parked.. otherwise it will be on the road or in storage if im not running it as a lab or taking my friends out for a night on the town.. (what better way to be a DD than take the bus)..

it looks like it would be tough to pull the panels down and then put the same ones back up without damaging them or the screw holes that hold them up... and I really dont want a wood ceiling...

your thoughts??

-Christopher
If you're not turning it into a residence or even a bonafide RV, then removing the ceilings and such isn't really worth it.
I just try to steer full timers into properly insulating so they don't have to live in hot or cold tin shacks, especially when pets or kids are involved.
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If you're not turning it into a residence or even a bonafide RV, then removing the ceilings and such isn't really worth it.
I just try to steer full timers into properly insulating so they don't have to live in hot or cold tin shacks, especially when pets or kids are involved.
I'm not planning on full-timing, but I *still* want proper insulation and a mold free environment.
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I'm not planning on full-timing, but I *still* want proper insulation and a mold free environment.
Me too, man.
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I'm not planning on full-timing, but I *still* want proper insulation and a mold free environment.
mold is everywhere,you breath it every day, your lungs can handle it.
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what are the "law of averages" that the ceiling panels can be pulled down and put back up in a school bus?

ie that the screws actually come out without damaging the holes... or are they riveted in place?(I dont have the bus yet so I havent notice on mine but I THINK they were screws)...

from the sound of it you all are saying that the ceiling insulation is full of mold and mildew? is it just from age? the ceiling doesnt leak in the bus, other than a few drops where the roof hatch doesnt latch down quite right...

at least when I looked at the bus it had rained HARD all night and the morning I got there but no water in the bus..

-Christopher
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Old 05-01-2016, 10:27 AM   #7
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what are the "law of averages" that the ceiling panels can be pulled down and put back up in a school bus?

ie that the screws actually come out without damaging the holes... or are they riveted in place?(I dont have the bus yet so I havent notice on mine but I THINK they were screws)...

from the sound of it you all are saying that the ceiling insulation is full of mold and mildew? is it just from age? the ceiling doesnt leak in the bus, other than a few drops where the roof hatch doesnt latch down quite right...

at least when I looked at the bus it had rained HARD all night and the morning I got there but no water in the bus..

-Christopher
Christopher,

It all depends upon the manufacturer. Some use only rivets, others only use screws, and others like to mix the two. For example, my 1989 Thomas was all screws. My former daily driver (I now work for Houston Metro, not Katy ISD anymore) was a 2000 Thomas with a mix of both. Thomas changed assembly techniques between those years. However, I know both have mold issues. Since my family will be full-timing once the build is complete the insulation had to go. It also has given me to opportunity to see where hidden leaks are in the roof. This last major rain helped reveal exactly where I had issues. If I had not taken down the panels and insulation the water would have been absorbed by the insulation and I would have been none the wiser thinking my roof was water tight.

This is just me. Since I'm going to be living in my bus for many years to come I want the best for me and my family. Since you have different objectives in mind, build accordingly.

Just my two cents......

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If you're never going to use your bus during cold or hot weather, you're fine. Even with the 45k refer in your bus I'd still be apprehensive about a virtually uninsulated metal box. If you're driving around as much as you're talking about, at some point you're going to be to hot or to cold. You may not mind energy costs for heating and cooling if you're taking just temporary trips, but at some time you're almost guaranteed to wish you had insulated.

I also have no complaints about the metallic interior of a bus. It's a perfectly durable finish, however this bus has perforated interior panels that allow condensation to drip through during the winter. Dangerous for electronics.
I have three and a half rows of rivets out on my ceiling panels and I don't believe it would be worth attempting to reinstall them. They get a little chewed up looking from the pneumatic chisel, but you could make it work. They just won't ever look the same. I decided the condensation issue was worth fixing.
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what are the "law of averages" that the ceiling panels can be pulled down and put back up in a school bus?

ie that the screws actually come out without damaging the holes... or are they riveted in place?(I dont have the bus yet so I havent notice on mine but I THINK they were screws)...

from the sound of it you all are saying that the ceiling insulation is full of mold and mildew? is it just from age? the ceiling doesnt leak in the bus, other than a few drops where the roof hatch doesnt latch down quite right...

at least when I looked at the bus it had rained HARD all night and the morning I got there but no water in the bus..

-Christopher
I'd bet money on them not going back up the same, and putting up a huge fight.
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what are the "law of averages" that the ceiling panels can be pulled down and put back up in a school bus?

ie that the screws actually come out without damaging the holes... or are they riveted in place?(I dont have the bus yet so I havent notice on mine but I THINK they were screws)...
PCS did this on his bus. IIRC, he swore he'd never do it again.

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from the sound of it you all are saying that the ceiling insulation is full of mold and mildew? is it just from age? the ceiling doesnt leak in the bus, other than a few drops where the roof hatch doesnt latch down quite right...

at least when I looked at the bus it had rained HARD all night and the morning I got there but no water in the bus..

-Christopher
There's the possibility of the insulation acting as a sponge, so no leaks. It's best to get up in there and pull it out, IMHO, to even see if there are any leaks up there. Especially around where the strobe used to be- if one was installed
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