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Old 06-08-2009, 10:29 PM   #1
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Re: Do you have concerns?

It's just a matter of time before older diesel engines are forced off the road. Drive now, be happy.
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Old 06-09-2009, 12:28 AM   #2
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I don't worry about the environmental restrictions, as much as I do the paperwork angle. I have co-workers from Germany who tell me that my lifestyle would not be possible in their country because everyone is required by law to have a fixed residential address. On the other hand, the US has a large community of retired fulltimers...and given our vehicle-oriented lifestyle & economy it is hard to imagine marginalizing that voting block.

As for environmental regs...as long as the heavy trucking industry has a powerful lobby in our country, I think our buses will be safe. But I could be wrong.

On a related note, I burned a few hours this weekend looking at box trucks on ebay. Just daydreaming. But I DO like the idea of:
1. A conversion platform with flat surfaces and right angles (what ceiling curve?)
2. A living space separate from the driving area
3. A fiberglass shell.

Yeah, we lose the cool factor of a bus, and the steel frame & body. But the mind does wander....
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Old 06-09-2009, 10:04 AM   #3
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escapees rv has an address and mail service based in texas, their are also title/registration services based in the dakotas or somewhere in that because of favorable tax laws.

emission regulations are already here for diesel trucks and heavy construction equipment, research tier 3 and tier 4 diesel compliance for emissions.
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Re: Do you have concerns?

Smitty, All I can say is, these are scarey times we are in. One of the main reasons I bought my bus was for a bug out situatation. We have access to land a hundred miles from us (Inlaws) and if things really went south, be they natural or man made, I can load up the bus and be gone.
Of course in that situation there would not be any concerns for any regulations anyway. In the meantime and in slow order our rights are being stripped away and we are becoming a different nation. There being lost slowly so the majority of Americans won't notice. As long as it does not affect me personally, I don't care, Is the general mentality. Then all the sudden it does affect them and it's to late.
On a lighter note:
Why could'nt I just buy some carbon credits? There are companies and individuals who do this now. Check out Al Gores house in comparison to G.W. Bush's house, as to who has gone green. I hear Al buys credits. I'm sure others in government are cutting back as well.


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Old 06-09-2009, 02:14 PM   #5
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I am not concerned. Emissions laws for vehicles are not retroactive. You can still run old 2 stroke engines in vehicles but just can't produce them for new vehicles. Boats, RVs and Busses are such a low number and impact on the overall carbon emissions that more than likely they would be the last on the list of vehicles to regulate farther than the current laws that are in effect. Power plants are a larger producer of greenhouse gasses, there are fewer of them and they stay in service alot longer than vehicles, these are what would be effected by new regulations and needed to be modified. Vehicles are pretty much self regulating due to the fact that there life cycle is relatively short so there is no need to make retroactive emission tiers on them, they will simply be at end of life and replaced by new vehicles that already meet current requirements. Very large construction equipment may be in the sights because their life cycle is also long due to the capital expenditures needed to purchase, lead time to build, they run many many hours per day and are used in an income producing envrionment which would help spread the costs of retrofitting. I believe that the regulations are good and warranted considering the overwhelming amount of scientific evidence with global warming and health factors that go along with emissions. Take one look at China, do we want North America to end up with the air pollution like they have and walk around the streets with masks on our faces? I do not believe that any regulator or scientist would argue that taking 1000 skoolies off of the road would help matters one bit.
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Also, I don't think that our rights are being stirpped away per se. It seems that there are waaaaay too many special intrests in the USA and that is what is taking the rights away. They make more and more laws and spend more and more money on trying to appease and protect small pockets of individuals which in turn erodes away at the majorities intrests. Not saying that anyone of them is good or bad or that regulations should only be benficial to the majority (this isnt the correct forum to discuss it on anyways). Think about them all, you have hundreds of differing religions wanting their own rules placed on society, the ADA, equal housing opportunity, fair lending, HUB zone, 8A, MADD, anti tobacco, anti drug, pro marijuana, pro environmental, pro growth, anti growth, pro immigration, anti immigration, ACLU, NAACP, NRA, PETA, Green Peace, farming groups, commercial fishermen, recreational fishermen etc etc. Then you have the industry lobbyist and trade associations that want their way and they all throw alot of money at their issues. The problem is that they all have an agenda for better or worse that will in some way have a positive impact on some and a negative impact on others. Soon all of these regulations to make everyone happy start to cross over each other so they make more regulations and the snowball starts.
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I proudly live in the US, am a citizen and support our president and government. I'm in the top tax bracket and have no issues with paying taxes, I feel I get alot for my money. Not every politician is corrupt in fact I would venture to say that the majority are not. GM being guided by the government is not socialist, I will not argue this point, look at the true definition of what socialism is. If by your standards, GM is socialist then that in turn would make you socialist as well just by using your skoolie. You drive on roads that are built owned and maintained by the governement, in a true capitalist society they would be privately owned and you would pay a toll to travel. The state parks that many use, again owned and controlled by the government. Ever had to call the police or fire department? That would be socialist too by your standard. Did your children attend public school? The fact is that none of this is by definition socialist. There is alot of propaganda and bad information online that with a little diligence, can be disproved. As far as your vehicle having to pass emissions, it only has to meet the standards of the time it was produced so I don't see an issue. It's not like they force you to retrofit in order to meet current production standards. If there was no standard at the time of production, there never will be on a private vehicle.
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"Useful idiots".... You can't shoot them, and there is no sense in sending them to the re-education camps.....
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Re: Do you have concerns?

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I am not concerned. Emissions laws for vehicles are not retroactive.
I take it you aren't familiar with California's laws then? Remember...what's in California now can generally be accepted as being nationwide policy within 5 years or so. Diesel snap testing is what kills me because it is a test of the appearance of pollution, not actual production of pollution...
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Old 06-10-2009, 08:48 AM   #10
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emission laws and testing for heavy construction equipment is a reality in cali and more and more populated areas, if your engine doesn't meet the regs you either retrofit it or replace it. once they get the rules in place and start to enforce them it's only a matter of time until they expand the coverage of the laws.

iirc cali already does some sort of carbon credit trade for old iron hotrods.
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