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Old 08-18-2015, 07:28 AM   #21
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That is a lot of concrete. Are the barrels full of just concrete?
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Old 08-18-2015, 11:18 AM   #22
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For those feeling concerned about earth's overshoot (more accurately OUR overshoot) i strongly suggestions this book:

Limits to growth : the 30 years update.

http://www.amazon.ca/Limits-Growth-T.../dp/193149858X

It the second book that scholars from MIT published with estimated limits on or exponential growth as a race on earth.

It's a bit dry but they make a decent (the best imo) job of explaining why it can't go on like this for very long...
I have decided to loose some sleep over this. I even scheduled time on my calender.
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Old 08-18-2015, 11:35 AM   #23
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While I won't argue with you, I was simply adding to the conversation about earth day.

Loose sleep or don't, that's not the point.
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Old 08-18-2015, 12:53 PM   #24
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My post was not meant to be a slight against you. There are more than 7 billion people on the planet and growing rapidly. What can I do about it? What about you? I am over 50 and who knows how many years I've got left...10, 20, 30?

Someone just posted about converting a bus to WVO and his wife wanted to save the planet. Really??? You want a bus and save the planet? If you want to save the planet, move into a mud hut and eat bugs and don't try to repopulate the planet by having 10 kids. The world is what it is unless the population is half of what it is today, there is nothing that ANYONE can do about it.
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Old 08-18-2015, 12:58 PM   #25
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Old 08-18-2015, 01:02 PM   #26
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^ I'm afraid you're right.

I just called 911 for medical aid. I think I am having a heart attack.
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Old 08-18-2015, 01:19 PM   #27
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Hey Bansil, can ya link me to your goat thread when you get it up? You know I'm interested!

Also, I've been thinking a lot lately about an idea I had. I'd love to see it happen someday. Basically I'm sick of everything being disposable. I can't even take a shower without thinking about how the shampoo bottles are going into the trash. I'd like to make a company that delivers products either to your door or to a storefront where all of the products are in reusable, uniformly shaped stackable containers in multiple sizes. You pay a monthly fee pay and pay for whatever products you buy, and as long as your return the containers to be washed and reused you don't have to pay for the containers. You might receive a package (with reusable shipping box) once every two weeks filled with containers that hold anything from spices to flour to shampoo to detergent to anything else you could think of that comes in disposable packaging. You take your stuff out, put your empty containers back in, and ship it back to the warehouse to be washed and refilled. Kinda like an expanded version of the milk man. You go online and modify your order however often you need to.

The company can either manufacture these goods or buy them in massive bulk quantities from popular brands as long as they are also socially and environmentally responsible about how they produce their products. You could even tie it in with fresh grocery delivery services, local farms, or already existing CSA delivery services.

You could even go bigger and have a stock of reusable to-go containers at every fast food place and restaurant. You Scan your membership card, they put your food in these containers, you bring them home and send them back with your other empty containers. If you don't send it back then you get charged for the container.
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Old 08-18-2015, 02:54 PM   #28
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My post was not meant to be a slight against you. There are more than 7 billion people on the planet and growing rapidly. What can I do about it? What about you? I am over 50 and who knows how many years I've got left...10, 20, 30?

Someone just posted about converting a bus to WVO and his wife wanted to save the planet. Really??? You want a bus and save the planet? If you want to save the planet, move into a mud hut and eat bugs and don't try to repopulate the planet by having 10 kids. The world is what it is unless the population is half of what it is today, there is nothing that ANYONE can do about it.
Glad to read I misunderstood!!

While I partially agree, my reading suggestion provides some real data that could prove interesting to your argument.

It also provides data that shows that we can produce enough foods and goods for everyone, just not "american dream" levels...
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Without fossil fuels we can't produce enough for everyone on the planet.

To make matters worse, the obese people of the population tend to not produce anything. They are just a tax on the entire system. All the way from health care to the food they consume, but do nothing to produce it. Most here live off social funding.

Next is the amount of food wasted by people in their homes and in the production / delivery system. Almost half the finished products get wasted when taking about meats and produce.

What irritates me the most is the picky people. I hear "I'm hungry" from people all the time. However unless it's something they "Like" they won't eat it.

The American dream is a bunch of $hit and we all know it.
It makes living beyond your means, and being wasteful socially acceptable.

For the record I was happy when California started treating all duel rear wheel vehicles as commercial. I hate seeing people using big fuel hog trucks as cars. Pay up a$$ holes.

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That is a lot of concrete. Are the barrels full of just concrete?

that was my first thought!

surely not
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