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Old 07-22-2018, 08:55 PM   #1
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First post and looking at a bus! 2009 INTERNATIONAL CE300

Hi,


Been reading on this forum for a while. Lot's of info to absorb. We are looking to buy a shorty as a camper to explore our beautiful surroundings (British Columbia).


An alert popped up yesterday on an auction site for a bus that first our basic criteria. I'm probably going to make a really low offer because I really have not studied enough.


Link to the bus: https://www.rbauction.com/2009-INTER...ACK-BC-2018243


The engine is described as a "Maxxforce GTC210 7.6 L", that engine does not seem to exist. One of the images has the engine nameplate: "2008 MARXXFORCEDT GDT210, 466ci, 7.6L". That still does not provide me with a lot of info. But from what I see this seems to be an OK emissions controlled engine? Earlier ones were terrible. Did I get that right?


Second silly question: I'm guessing by the fact it has air suspension and the big yellow brake knob in one of the pictures, that is has air brakes?


Any all tips/hints on this make/model of bus are welcome!


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Old 07-23-2018, 06:29 AM   #2
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RUN away from the Maxxforce.

I don't think there is even a single member here who would dare buy one of those except to maybe resell to the facebook lemmings.


The newer the diesel engine, the lower the quality and higher the complexity.

The local diesel shops have ALL told me that anything built after 03 or 04 is best avoided. The emissions stuff keeps them BUSY.

There's a reason there are such "great deals" on late model buses.
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Old 07-23-2018, 07:52 AM   #3
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Old 07-23-2018, 07:57 AM   #4
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while the MNaxxforce DT is based ion the DT-466E and has a better reputation than the Maccfroce 7.. i definitely would stay away fro mthe first couple years of those..



for one, this was one of the tifrst couple years of full-on EPA emissions, DPF filters and the like.. the manufacturers were rushed into this technology .. result being that it had a lot of bugs.. bugs that result in trips to the DEALER because some things could / can only be repaired by them.. Major emissions failures can result in destruction of the engine, or being stranded along side of the road because the computers shuts the bus down..



read the school bus fleet forums from back in those first few years 2008-2010 to see all the posts about emissions failures on Navistar Maxxforce engines and CAT ACERT engines..



once Navistar switched from the DT-466E (diamond Logic computers) to the Maxxforce system, the free software for turning on / off speed limiters, cruise control, etc would no longer work on these engines.. so if your bus has limits set , the software to remove them is pricey..



I myself am pretty adventurous when it comes to engines / electronics / mechanics and the like.(ill buy engines most here wont) and I myself am staying away from all MaxxForce engines...



the main allure of newer busses is less time to rust and often more creature comforts like Air-conditioning , air ride, etc... the reality is these busses exist from that 1998-2004 range which are pretty decent units.. and may have alot of these things if thats what you are going for..

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Old 07-23-2018, 08:02 AM   #5
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That is the most unreliable engine EVER! Run away!

the MaxxForce DT isnt nearly as bad as the MaxxForce 7.. THATS the most unreliable engine ever.. eso the way schools ran them...



the reality is these 2 engines werent half bad as truck engines when used for long haul at full operating RPM and temperature.. but as school bus engines.. they often were never driven correctly for their design and thats where the issues come in..



our schools here in columbus have a bunch of Maxxforce DT;'s and some 7's and the biggest reason they end up at the dealer is the barn doesnt pre-warm them.. and with all the heaters on high in ohio winters they never are warmed up.. over and over all winter long these busses are driven that way...



if someone comes to me and says they are buying a Maxxforce DT box truck im likely to say go for it..



but a school bus? esp if said bus has low miles / high hours.. perfect sign that engine hasnt been run correctly..

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Old 07-23-2018, 09:40 AM   #6
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Thank you all!


I'm still a little unclear on what you are all telling me Must be the wind blowing in my ears from me running the other way.


Will keep my eyes open for something older


Back to reading the forums!


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Basically they added a bunch of crap starting in 2004 that caused diesel engines to stop being the most reliable and durable things around to now being very tempermental in ways that make them explode without warning. The Maxxforce series were the worst and most likely to melt, but every manufacturer had class action lawsuits against them for the same basic problems.
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Basically they added a bunch of crap starting in 2004 that caused diesel engines to stop being the most reliable and durable things around to now being very tempermental in ways that make them explode without warning. The Maxxforce series were the worst and most likely to melt, but every manufacturer had class action lawsuits against them for the same basic problems.
IMO this is the most crucial bit of info one needs to know when bus shopping.
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Old 07-23-2018, 06:42 PM   #9
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Sneaking in one more question. The images show two buttons:


PARKD - REGEN
INHIBT - REGEN


Is that regeneration of the bits that deal with the emissions. Or is there something else (basic cat?) that needs regen?


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It's a super fun manual process you get to do to clean out the diesel particulate filter.

Now, this is actually how it works. You'll love it.

So all the 2004+ changes were to reduce emissions. One of the things they added is the Particulate Filter, which filters out soot that would be Just Awful if it was burned and released into the atmosphere.

They can work pretty well and filter a lot of soot! Which is great because it would be Just Awful it it was released into the atmosphere.

However, they can only hold so much. So they have a "regen" process that cleans them up, so they can get back to their normal job of stopping soot from being released which would be Just Awful.

So the cleaning process is basically a computer controlled mode that runs the engine in a really inefficient way to purposely build up heat (some systems use electric coil heaters instead of just dumping fuel into the motor), which gets the particulate filter really hot, and causes all that filtered out soot to.... (wait for it)..... burn and release into the atmosphere.

And if you don't do it, your engine will probably grenade.
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