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Old 12-02-2016, 08:39 PM   #1
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How to help Veterans for Standing Rock #NoDAPL

I don't normally get involved but this is important for a lot of reasons.
I've kicked em a few bucks, hoping to spread the word and get these vets to their goal and give them the resources needed to get the job done.

https://www.gofundme.com/veterans-fo...ng-rock-nodapl
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Old 12-02-2016, 09:55 PM   #2
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Thanks, ECCB!! I wish more people knew about this. Its crazy how the media is basically ignoring this... Thank you for helping the cause and raising awareness!



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I hesitated to post, as I usually try to keep my banter here bus-related. To me it isn't a partisan issue, its a human rights issue. Thus the media "coverage". This event ought to make any red blooded American's blood boil.
I don't get political on here, or anywhere on the web. Not too much. But this is one of those things I couldn't ignore and thought I'd spread the word anywhere on the web that I frequent.

This is one of the rare times I feel sending a stranger some money can really make you feel GOOD. Its great that there's a way EVERYONE can help out. THis isn't to buy someones sex change operation or to help someone build some lame business- this is literally to fund a humanitarian mission to protect native ameriacan protesters from brutality at the hands of hired thugs. Sometimes we as Americans have to make a stand for what's right and this is one of those times.

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It feels so good to see that all the efforts may be paying off!
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First, I am a native from Minnesota.
Second, I cant support standing rock for the following reasons:
Concerns were never voice during the planning stages.
Heritage sites were never marked or made public.
Tribal leaders did not oppose this pipeline until, equipment arrived.
The pipeline does not touch tribal land.
This is a lost battle.

There are over 400 pipeline in the lower 48 states that are over 1,000 miles in length with over 6,000 junctions where the pipeline goes over, through or under waterways including the Mississippi and Great Lakes.

This one single pipeline will not make a difference.
The core of the problem is not being addressed here, only the delivery method.

The demand and dependency on oil products is being ignored while, a few people fight a lost battle and fail to address the demand for such products.

This is half of the reason, I am building my skoolie. To reduce my carbon footprint, to converse water, to harness renewable energy and to live by example. My facebook is overflowing with Stand Rockers that drive 600 miles one way every Friday and 600 miles back every sunday just to feel connect to their culture and history. It has gone from fighting for rights to a giant social event and contemporary religious Woodstock.

I have crunched the numbers and each one way trip consumes 62 gallons of water just to drive there. Roughly 125 gallons per round trip and most of the "real deal" Standing Rockers in my community live in propane heated homes with at least one pos car leaking or burning oil in their driveway. Most of my Rocker friends let the shower run for ten minutes to warm up every morning.

I have posted and published lists of things we can do to help win this war.
Insulate your home better.
Install solar panels.
Upgrade your windows.
Fill your tires up properly.
Put in a rocket stove.
Buy local made products.
Live closer to work.
Buy a hybrid vehicle.
Don't waste water by any hundred of methods.
Recycle everything.
Fit your clothes, repair your appliances.
Turn off the yard lights.
Upgrade your bulbs.

For my efforts, I have been called a traitor to my race. I have been called negative ten thousand times. I have been screaming endlessly for everyone to go home. Morton County released photos of improvised explosive devices that were claimed to have been thrown at officer. If the claim is true or not doesn't matter at this point, it is public record that protesters have attempted to inflict grave bodily harm onto officers. Which in turn gives us the right to open up on the crowd the next time anyone throws anything.

The pipeline will go through no matter what, our newly elected actor will only worsen the situation in the future. It is dangerous and I don't want anyone getting hurt or killed just to prove a point that has already been made and that will not effect the outcome.

That is my fear, concern and thought.
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I respect your opinions and your views, sir. Thanks for sharing them.
But when I see unarmed, peaceful demonstrators getting their arms blown off, shot with rubber bullets, and blasted with water cannons I don't care about the politics involved.
The protesters are clearly not the ones instigating or escalating violence.
But lets not turn this into an argument. I doubt we'll ever agree on it and I've always found you to be a great guy on here so lets just agree to disagree I guess.
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No, no. That is just the thing. I agree completely with that.
Peaceful protesters being brutalized and having their rights crushed.
I applaud the protesters and I applaud the police for nothing losing their heads and cutting down people.
That being said, you wouldn't see me on either side of that skirmish line.
I cant support the police, I cant support the protesters and I sure as hell don't support the pipeline.
The first and only priority should be the preservation of life and that is all that matters.
Removing one side of the situation must be completed before the other side leaves and the threat to life is ended.
It appears with the new COE delay today, the final match has been rescheduled and I hope that the weather helps to bring everyone home safe and sound.
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No, no. That is just the thing. I agree completely with that.
Peaceful protesters being brutalized and having their rights crushed.
I applaud the protesters and I applaud the police for nothing losing their heads and cutting down people.
That being said, you wouldn't see me on either side of that skirmish line.
I cant support the police, I cant support the protesters and I sure as hell don't support the pipeline.
The first and only priority should be the preservation of life and that is all that matters.
Removing one side of the situation must be completed before the other side leaves and the threat to life is ended.
It appears with the new COE delay today, the final match has been rescheduled and I hope that the weather helps to bring everyone home safe and sound.
Maybe some day I can buy you a beer, or an herbal refreshment of your choice.
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A tour of your bus, a cheap cigar and a shot of smirinov would work for me.
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I am sure happy with the outcome so far. Something to celebrate after so much bad news. Delighted that so many veterans reached out seems that people who were willing to put their lives on the line for our country are also willing to do that for our people.
best news, I am happy.

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this delay is just to get the protestors to go home.
Then the construction area will be "hardened" with fencing and such.
Then the go ahead will be given.

There is no way on earth it will not be finished as planned.
There will be no changes to the path.
When 1199 miles are already finished, there is no way they will force a reroute for this last mile.
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this delay is just to get the protestors to go home.
Then the construction area will be "hardened" with fencing and such.
Then the go ahead will be given.

There is no way on earth it will not be finished as planned.
There will be no changes to the path.
When 1199 miles are already finished, there is no way they will force a reroute for this last mile.
You're right. I've seen articles (including this Reuters brief) that say they'll push through, and just pay the fines. Or, given that the PEOTUS may still own 300k in Energy Transfer Partners stock, they'll just wait until after the 20th of January to appeal.

There is no corporate accountability anymore.
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