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Old 11-27-2012, 07:24 PM   #1
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Involuntary disability retirement

Okay I know this is a skoolie forum but I trust you guys. Plus I think some of you on here might be retired military or federal employees.

I am an Air Technician which requires me to be in the Guard to keep my full-time job working for the guard as a civilian. Well I contracted type two diabetes and now the Guard wants to kick me out which means I will be involuntarally disabilitity retired from my federal job.

People at work tell me this is the golden ticket and to take it and run... However I am not so sure. Do any of you know about this kind of stuff? I have been providing for my family since i was 15 I am now 52 so yeah I'm worried.
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Old 11-28-2012, 04:28 PM   #2
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Can you get your disability and also work a part time job? That may be a good option if you can.
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Old 11-28-2012, 04:35 PM   #3
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I will have to get a fulltime job if my waiver don't go through... they are only offering 750 for 3o years of service. That is because our current president changed the rules covering this kind of thing.... Not for the better either, it would have been around 2000-2500 before the change.
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I will have to get a fulltime job if my waiver don't go through... they are only offering 750 for 3o years of service. That is because our current president changed the rules covering this kind of thing.... Not for the better either, it would have been around 2000-2500 before the change.

Hey, that's our President looking out for the middle class.
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Old 11-28-2012, 08:12 PM   #5
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Not our president....... he's a raghead from Kenya...... just my 2 cents.

If it's diabetes 2 it can be reversed..... A friend of mine working w the electric company reversed his type 2 within 2 months of starting the meds and changing his diet. Today hes off the meds and just watching his diet......

Maybe if your lawyer can buy you some time to try to improve and drop the meds. not asking too much

At less talk to a lawyer...... most consultations can help you understand what your options are....... call JAG and setup an appt.
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Old 11-30-2012, 03:14 PM   #6
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According to my Doctor and I have tried more exercise and doing the healthy Diet. its not reversible due to family history according to my Doc, I asked. Right now its controlled my the meds which the doctor is happy. The problem is my civilian Job requires me to be in the military (Guard) more importantly my career field in the guard. I don't do that type of work during the week however it is still tied to that career field. The Military is downsizing so they need to get people out Guard included. JAG in the guard only works for the Commander, at least that is what mine has told me. I have to find the right civilian lawyer to handle my case. As a Guard member I am not afforded the same benefits as active duty, even though they require me to wear a uniform everyday and get paid about half of what a active duty E7 makes. Me being Old nobody cares, who wants to go to bat for a 52 year old when their are 25-30 year olds needing a job coming from Active Duty. I will end up with Half a pension and a lower paying full-time job try and make ends meet and feed the kids at the same time. On the up side I'll have O'Bama Care to fall back on and the failing Social Security system if I can stay alive ten to fifthteen more years.

Socialism the new direction for the Country.
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Man that really sucks,
Just an idea...... Do a Google search for" free legal aid state of Illinois........ I did and it brought up several possibilities...

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. . . I have been in Communications since 1980 for the military started out in HF,VHF,Satcom they now call me a JICO (Joint Interface Control Officer) and a Common Operational Picture (COP) Manager there are only a couple hundred with both titles in the military, they are just titles. I know how to figure out what antenna size cable lenth does to the signal. I also know how the FREQ Spectrum works and how to get a signal from point A to B . . .
Hey, maybe this is an opportunity. People who know RF are rarer than hen's teeth. We just interviewed candidates for a supervisory position, and half of the few that made it to an interview had never touched a radio, and expected us to teach them how the systems work. There's no way they could supervise maintenance vendors when they had no idea what the systems or the vendor's do . . . .

The last time we hired a technician, it was easy to make a choice since there was only one qualified candidate (who we had recruited).
You may not get rich, but if you know RF there is always SOMEONE who needs you . . . . even more so if you can also speak internet Protocol, which is overtaking all of the retiring RF dinosaurs.
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. . . I have been in Communications since 1980 for the military started out in HF,VHF,Satcom they now call me a JICO (Joint Interface Control Officer) and a Common Operational Picture (COP) Manager there are only a couple hundred with both titles in the military, they are just titles. I know how to figure out what antenna size cable lenth does to the signal. I also know how the FREQ Spectrum works and how to get a signal from point A to B . . .
Hey, maybe this is an opportunity. People who know RF are rarer than hen's teeth. We just interviewed candidates for a supervisory position, and half of the few that made it to an interview had never touched a radio, and expected us to teach them how the systems work. There's no way they could supervise maintenance vendors when they had no idea what the systems or the vendor's do . . . .

The last time we hired a technician, it was easy to make a choice since there was only one qualified candidate (who we had recruited).
You may not get rich, but if you know RF there is always SOMEONE who needs you . . . . even more so if you can also speak internet Protocol, which is overtaking all of the retiring RF dinosaurs.
You know Kimberlink.???? RedBear may be onto something.........
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Re: Involuntary disability retirement

I have never been good at talking/bragging about myself. I know Red Bear is correct and onto something... I had the opportunity to work with a couple Contractor friends of mine this weekend, whom I have known for years. They work for L3 Com JRE systems and the BOSS management System. They are going to help me with my Resume.

I can talk a guy a thousand miles away and tell him what the problem is and help them fix it, and get the system up. However talking to a head across the desk when I need what they are offering. A Job, I freeze. I don't have that piece of paper that the young guys do, a College degree. I work with my head and hands not my mouth. If you want to how to make a system work when everyone else says it can't me done Im your guy. Just because its not in the book don't mean it won't work.

My new Supervisor, A Bag Wearer, came to me a couple times wanting to implement a new way of doing training and as she was talking I went into my computer and printed off exactly what she was wanting. When she ask why I didn't do this already? My response to her was "I tried, I just couldn't get it sold." to my amazement when she sold it to the boss, she told him and everyone where it came from and who did it. The last two took all the credit. One of which was soon non-retained after they promoted him to a higher job and the other who is still with us has worked more on changing his Job Title on his door than he has done for the Unit. He changed it five times in one day once. The Col is starting to notice him also.

I guess my point is "I'm not dead yet" (Monty Python) I was looking for a Job when i found this one, I have been working since I was 15 supporting my Family I will survive and so will my Family.

I knew I could count on you all to lend a hand to this friend in need. Thank You all, you have been Awesome!

P.S "Red Bear" if you know of any one hiring I know of someone looking. I'm looking for a living not a large bank account. But won't turn down either one
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. . . I don't have that piece of paper that the young guys do, a College degree. . . .
A more important piece of paper in this business is the FCC General Radiotelephone Operator's License (GROL). The GROL is equivalent to the old Second Class Radiotelephone Operators' License, and replaced both the Second Class and the First Class. It is good for life, unless revoked for cause. The FCC does not give the exam directly anymore, but sub-contractors hold exam sessions for those who want the license anyway. Even though the FCC has not required operators' licenses for about 30 years, some government contracts still require having FCC licensed employees on staff.

If one finalist has a degree, and the other has a GROL license, the candidate with the license will normally win. The exception might be if the hiring is being done by a Human Resources specialist without any department input inside an multifaceted organization so big that you will be reduced to a number. But the RF units of most vendors or government sub-divisions are usually so small that everyone knows each other. And most outfits have only one or maybe two old, wise ones full of practical wisdom, whose retirement leaves a gaping hole that needs filling in mentoring the next generation.

Cell site maintenance is another option. I know about 20 years ago as cell phones were first taking off, the carriers would throw crazy money at anyone who had ever put a screwdriver to a radio and was willing to live out of a suitcase. They would be sent all over to go and supervise laborers throwing up cell sites. I think that frenzy has died down over the years. I am seeing more technology upgrades every year than I am seeing new cell towers, such as adding LTE or another 4G technology, and Sprint converting the Nextel channels they bought to phone and data. But there are still a handful of techs who are on call to go and swap out a channel if a site has a problem.
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Although I did not get into Communications as deep as you . and I too do not have that college degree but worked the in the Army Signal Corps for 20 plus years.
Mostly Ops, FM, AM, RaTT, Wire, Landline, COMSEC ,Vinson, GPS, ....... Mostly BDE level and down..... However ......

My nickname in the Army was ""FM"" ........ cause the **** starting working whenever I showed up!!!!!!!!! ""Frigging Magic""


Kinda nice to have a littlle respect every now and then........
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I was a 31M in the Army before I switched to the blue.
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I was a 31M in the Army before I switched to the blue.
First 4 years 11B Infantry, & 13B Mortars, Vietnam.....

After reenlistment 31B Field Radio Mechanic/ 11B secondary, and general flunky.......
31Z..... After promotion to E-7 /E8 can't remember all that stuff anymore.....
Made 1st SGT returned to communications (by request) after the start of Desert Storm to assist the V Corp Signal in IRAQ under VII Corps Command......

It was a BLAST...... Boom there it is.....
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Thanks to all for your service...19K,8 months in a tank during the Storm...got putout for BS medical after a total of 16 years....still miss those "steel coffins"
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Thanks to all for your service...19K,8 months in a tank during the Storm...got putout for BS medical after a total of 16 years....still miss those "steel coffins"
Not a problem, Pleasure was all mine... Like I said It was a BLAST...
Now we only remember the good stuff, that's why the fond memories. no one wants to remember the other stuff we try to forget.......

Sorry you got the boot?
My Unit in Desert Storm was a tank unit..... 3 Armored Division out of Gelnhausen, Germany......... I was the 1SG in the HHC 2nd Bde HQ.
BDE Commander requested "F. M " & I returned to Communications for Desert Storm........
Never tried to get the 1SG job back as we disbanded the unit upon return from Desert Storm. After PCS ended up in Chicago, IL as a Communications Consultant in the 1ST Army Readiness Group
stationed at FT Sheridan, IL

Man. that was 20 plus years ago... damn
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Mmm....still remember the "stuff" that kicked me in the ass and said...(edited before post)...I learned a lot both good and bad...I don't need a shower ever day...I don't need food every day..I thank the lord every day...
There have been times as others know...that life ...well really is a bitch.
You have choices to make...they are good if your heart believes it.....others may digress....well....F--..them choices
Are just that....
I am stronger....my family values are stronger(some may be different than others) I know I have learned well....it does scare my beatiful and loving wife at times......she knows without doubt I have here back.....
Sorry for off topic.....blame it on the grapes oh....and 3890 meters is not that far away.....peace to all
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