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Old 02-22-2008, 12:38 PM   #1
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Just wanted to post and say "hi" to everyone. My name is Jim, and I've been lurking here for a few weeks now, and doing a lot of research into schoolbus conversions. I'm now looking for a schoolbus to convert while I scrounge together some money.

Just a bit of background: Back in august I bought an older class A motorhome, 30ish foot model. It turns out that I made a hasty decision and shouldn't have bought it. It has many things wrong with it. After finding all the things wrong, I decided to tear it down to the chassis/body and build it back up. I've almost finished the teardown. In the mean time, I have been building a plastic skinned polebarn type structure to work within, 16'Wx40'Lx14'H or so. That build is almost complete. Due to zoning requirements, the structure is a Tent, not a building. It is meant to be temporary for the rebuild, and will be disassembled upon completion.

The closer I've gotten to the point where I would need to begin the actual buildup of the RV, the less I like the basic platform. I have a lot of problems with it that just aren't worth getting into here. Over the past month I've decided to just part out the old RV as much as possible to get back as much of my investment as I can, and get a bus and build it the way I want it. I know I'll feel a lot safer in a bus.

Unfortunately, most of my money is tied up in the old RV so it'll be a little while before I can afford the bus. However, I keep checking ebay and other sites daily keeping an eye out for the "perfect" bus.

I'd like a 70 passenger or greater, forward control, diesel, allison AT based bus. A bus like the one that dentarthurdent has would be the best to me. I really like what he has done in sketchup. I'm still undecided about rear engine vs front engine, but leaning more towards rear engine. I'm also undecided about air vs hydraulic brakes, but am leaning towards air brakes.

From what I've read in the various threads here, this seems like a great group of people and an awesome resource. I look forward to starting my project and borrowing more ideas for everyone else's projects.

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Old 02-22-2008, 08:40 PM   #2
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Welcome to the group and all the best for your bus hunt. It is for sure the right decision to scrap the RV and go with a bus. So you should have everything you need for the conversion from that RV.
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Old 02-22-2008, 09:32 PM   #3
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I second Swinada. I was going to build a travel trailer when I stumbled across this site and fell in love with everything skoolie. Now we're heavy into conversion. Welcome and good luck. This a great bunch.
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Old 02-22-2008, 09:47 PM   #4
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Thanks everyone. I appreciate all the support.

Reprobate, I have read your progress thread and can't wait to see more.

Elliot's roof raise for millicent is inspirational.

I can't wait to be able to get started, but I must practice patience this time.

thanks y'all,
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Old 02-23-2008, 03:53 PM   #5
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hey jim;
yeah welcome! i'm new too, although i first registered about a year ago. it took me that long but i got my bus a few weeks ago, after a diesel benz and a sailboat. anyway, i just wanted to say i've been touring over the road for like 17 years or something in all manner of vehicles and the bus, after removing all but two seats is the coolest liveaboard. this 65 passenger gmc just has endless room and possibilities if you can pound a nail. and especially my dog spot, who's disposition has really improved, loves the space and windows. pallet wood has proved a fine building material, and it's free.
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Old 02-24-2008, 01:34 AM   #6
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Thanks, Baadpuppy! My purpose in life is to inspire others to greatness -- while I stumble along in the gutter myself.

Be advised, "forward control" means a flat nosed bus with the engine in the front. I believe the origin of the term is this: In the beginning, Henry Ford created the Model T, and it had the engine way out front, completely in front of the driver. That style is now called a "conventional". Then somebody decided he needed more cargo space, without having to lengthen his garage, and he figured out that he could put the driver on the front fender and gain the floor space where the driver used to sit. He relocated the steering mechanism and the other controls forward, and a bit left and up to clear the engine, and this became the Forward Control model. The driver complained about the wind and the rain out there on the front fender, so the builder enclosed the driver in new bodywork, creating the flat-nosed look. (Also known as "cab-over", for the cab being over the engine.) Blue Bird actually used the term Forward Control in their official terminology, as did Jeep. (Yes, they made "cab-over" Jeeps!)

Oh, by the way... Welcome aboard!
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Old 02-24-2008, 10:15 AM   #7
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Be advised, "forward control" means a flat nosed bus with the engine in the front.
Oops, my bad. I stand corrected. I had somehow reached the conclusion that forward control meant having the controls forward of the steer axle, regardless of engine location.

Thanks for the clarification!

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Old 02-24-2008, 11:57 AM   #8
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I had somehow reached the conclusion that forward control meant having the controls forward of the steer axle, regardless of engine location.
You know what... You may be right. It may be I who need correcting. In my 56 years on this planet, it may finally have happened.

(And you are very gentle and diplomatic, my new friend. Many would have alerted me to my possible error in less polite language! )

You are certainly correct in that there is minimal reference to engine location in the phrase Forward Control. I'm thinking this may be a matter of "common usage" rather than mechanical specification, but.... Oh dear.

There goes all day today. I'll be sitting here researching this all over the internet.

All right... who actually knows? And give us The Meaning Of Life while you are at it, please.
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Old 02-24-2008, 01:25 PM   #9
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I love a good semantics discussion (as does any INTP)...

I think the term originates from "cab forward" rail engine designs that put the drivers in front of the big boilers, etc. I found an article on Wikipedia about it. Here's an excerpt from that:

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In the case of vehicles other than passenger autos, the term refers to a design in which the steering wheel is placed forward of the front axle, which, typically, is located directly beneath the driver's seat. This arrangement is perhaps better known as forward control.
I think Blue Bird confused things a bit by using "Forward Control" as a model name denoting the front engined TC2000 buses and also using FC in the designations of the front engine Wanderlodge motorhomes. They seem to have forged (or at least reinforced) the link between "forward control" and sitting beside an engine doghouse whilst driving. So at least with a Blue Bird product, "forward control" definitely means front engine.

Jim - there was a pretty nice looking 1986 All American RE on Public Surplus recently that went for $2,750. They are out there if you look. I spent almost three months looking daily for mine (INTPs also tend to be a little obsessing at times ) but I am very glad I did.

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When am I ever going to learn to be more careful about what I ask for! I said...
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And give us The Meaning Of Life while you are at it, please.
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(as does any INTP)...
Now I'll be reading about THAT all day, but at first glance it looks like you may indeed have "diagnosed" me.

How's THIS for thread drift?!
Baadpuppy... You still here?

(To be continued.)

Baadpuppy, where do you live?

[I really think we should all enter our home town and state in our Profile. Makes it so much easier to exchange realistic leads on buses and parts.]
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