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Old 05-26-2009, 08:48 PM   #11
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Re: oops, I did it again...

There is a twin to the one I bought at the place I bought it, and I'm sure they'd be willing to take $1400 for it as well.

You'll be hard pressed to find more storage for less money than an old school bus. Assuming it doesn't leak.

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Old 05-29-2009, 11:51 PM   #12
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Re: oops, I did it again...

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There is a twin to the one I bought at the place I bought it, and I'm sure they'd be willing to take $1400 for it as well.

You'll be hard pressed to find more storage for less money than an old school bus. Assuming it doesn't leak.

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I like the idea of a bus for storage & then possibly making it more of a semi-permanent cabin style dwelling instead of RV conversion. That is a good price but I have no way to move it to NM & will probably wait & see what busses may be sitting around NM for sale!
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Old 05-30-2009, 12:00 AM   #13
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Re: oops, I did it again...

Any chance of getting a picture of that diagnostic port? Chances are it's the typical GM 12 pin OBDI connector and if that's the case it's really not as primitive as you might think, provided you can get the scan tool to communicate with it. General Motors was really ahead of the game in terms of diagnostics well before the 1996 OBDII requirement for cars. You can see and do A LOT on old TBI trucks and I would imagine a C60 with a 366 would be about the same. Heck, I'd be willing to bet your ECM is either a 7747 or an 8747. At the very least you should be able to get flash codes with nothing more than a paperclip, a far cry from the Ford breakout box of the same era.
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Old 05-30-2009, 08:05 PM   #14
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Re: oops, I did it again...

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The funky throttle controller:


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I didn't get to weigh the bus today after all. Took all afternoon to get some gasoline in the tank.

Turns out the fill port on the tank is about 6" or 8" inside the skin. So, the 5 gallon fuel tanks just won't work.

I had to do some siphoning from the 5 gallon cans into the bus to get them into it. Then I decided to take the gas from the old RV and put into the bus, so I tried to siphon that. Well, the old RV has the fill pipe run the length of the tank and enter the tank after a 180 degree turn, so siphoning was out. Then I thought I'd try to siphon from the fuel line running to the generator. Had to use a piece of steel pipe to adapt the fuel line to the siphoning pump I had, only I didn't know it had a nice hole in the middle. grrr. I gave up on that for a bit and disconnected everything and helped my dad with a project of his. I came back over to the RV and discovered a lake of unleaded. Seems there was still fuel in the line for the generator, and the line fell while I was away and the force of gravity caused the siphoning effect.

After a while, I got the idea to use the generator's fuel pump to pump from the tank into a hose feeding the bus tank. Finally got that working, with only a tiny drip where two hoses attached.

The bus now has 3/4ths of a tank of old gasoline. I need to add some fuel treatment to it before I run it much. The RV should be down to 1/4th of a tank, as the generator is supposed to run dry while leaving fuel in the tank.

I now stink like gasoline. It is all over my hands and shoes and one knee where I had to kneel down to get things hooked up.

Later this evening I discovered one of the clearance lamps was loose, and I tightened it back up.

Mom has plans to try to recycle the plywood out of the old seats, so I guess we'll be disassembling them soon.

All in all, not a bad day's progress.

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Old 05-31-2009, 02:50 PM   #15
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I left the battery on charge all night, so starting was quick and painless. This battery should hold me for a while.

Drove without tags or paperwork or anything over to the farmer's market to get weighed. My niece rode along with me, and enjoyed the drive. The empty weight is 13,960 pounds, so it would be a great unit for someone to convert from that perspective.

The downside is drivability. The tires seem to be rather loud, and I worried they would fly apart on me. Top speed was 57mph but I only saw that a few times. 55mph was the realistic top speed. This bus is definitely geared low. You can snap your neck in 1st or 2nd gear. 5th gear would go all the way down to 30mph without bogging the engine down.

Steering was a major issue. I suspect the tires are the primary reason, but it seemed a bit sloppy. Not as bad as the old RV, but it made me really appreciate my pusher. Some of the windy back roads I took had me a bit worried for a while, but I got there and back safely. Oh, it is definitely worthwhile to put all the windows down on a warm day.

After having driven it today, I don't think I'm going to bother getting it tagged at all. I'll still title it, and keep the tax people happy, but why carry insurance and yearly fees on a vehicle that will primarily sit in the yard storing things? If I find I need to use it to go get something I just can't get any other way, then I can get it tagged then.

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Re: oops, I did it again...

That connector most certainly is the old GM OBDI style port. That should make diagnostics far easier should you ever have to mess with it.
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Old 06-01-2009, 10:32 AM   #17
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Any idea where to find the governor on this thing? The pedal had plenty of travel left at 55, and pushing it to the floor made no difference in the engine behavior.

Also, going up a hill, it kept at 55 and the engine did get faster and deeper sounding. A tach sure woulda been nice. I've never understood why so many vehicles with automatics have a tach and so many vehicles with standard transmissions do not have a tach.

I don't know for a fact that it has a governor, but it sure seems like it. I have no idea how it knows that I'm going 55 and keeps me from going any faster. If I can get it up to 60, I can at least keep up with the slower traffic. The slower traffic going 60 seems to mostly be school busses around here, but still...

I do have to say that the engine ran great. Good oil pressure, steady engine temperature, no overheating, no indication of it having to struggle at any point, no stumbling, etc.

Still on the fence about getting it tagged. I expect that'll end up costing me about $100-$150 a year in fees and taxes, and that isn't even counting insurance. I like the idea of being able to jump in any of my vehicles and hit the road if need be, but is it worth the money...

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I know that you can check out the computer system on GM cars and trucks by putting a bent paper clip in the correct holes on the hook up for the computer and counting how any times the check engine light flashes on and off. I found this info on line after buying a $70.00 analyzer. Just can't remember where though. Might work on the bus also.
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Re: oops, I did it again...

Well, this week I decided to get insurance on this bus, just in case I want to take it on the road. I have some "Farm Use Only" tags around here, and that's all it takes to make it legal as long as you have insurance.

I called GMAC, and told them I wanted to add it. They wanted to know if it was a conversion and I said no, that it was being used as a large truck/van. After several minutes on hold, they told me their VIN check system kept kicking it out saying it needed to be insured as commercial, but that if I wanted it to be a conversion, they could insure it for me with no problems.

So, I now officially own two school bus conversions with none of the conversion work done yet.

Anyway, now I can use this bus to go get stuff if I need to, while the big boy is all chopped up. That's a load off my mind.

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